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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and Chris and this

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is one week we're going to avoid that

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topic that shall not be named you know

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the one that starts with the initials R

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and the second word begins with the

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initial S that one oh good

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right because of the fact that we've

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gotten letters both ways some people

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just can't get enough of the subject one

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said with Nick Redfern has had two

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segments talking about the subject that

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shall not be named and therefore he

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didn't know if he could listen to the

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rest of the show I understand that it's

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gotten to a point where it's pretty

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crazy and every subject has been

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repeated and summed up over and over

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again but I will tell you next week we

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will have Richard Dolan back on the para

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cast but I will restrict his comments

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about the topic that shall not be named

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- just a few moments okay and we'll move

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on the other stuff promise I won't it

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okay or at least I'll make the effort

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but if listeners start asking questions

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at forum dr. Peric ascom in the question

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Bank what is it that we're expected to

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do I want to know what his thinking was

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why he decided to to pile on the whole

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thing at the at the last minute because

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I don't think he answered that question

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to my satisfaction when he was on before

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of course I was on my way back from New

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Mexico not feeling very well and I

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really couldn't hear too well

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well also he was talking to us just a

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couple of days after the event right and

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probably hadn't formulated his full

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reactions yet but yeah and everything

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else has come out look we're talking

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about it without talking about it we're

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talking about Dolan anyway yeah we'll

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save all that all that stuff for later

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on right in fact later on we'll be

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talking about UFO abduction

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and we have a bunch of questions for our

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guest Kathleen Martin and we'll ask them

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later in fact the questions are so

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widely focused we could probably do a

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host show just on those questions but we

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have a lot to ask her and part of it

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starts with a letter that she sent us

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after listening to an episode we did

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back in 2014 with Robert Shaffer where

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he made some disparaging comments about

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the Barney and Betty Hill abduction of

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course as we know Kathleen Martin is

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Betty Hills niece and she felt that he

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misrepresented that and therefore she

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will have a few comments we were going

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to have her on last year and then we got

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to so many other guests we just couldn't

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coordinate our schedules and now we've

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been able to do that so things are

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working better but let's just look at

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some other things that have nothing to

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do with abductions or the subject that

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shall not be named except that we keep

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naming it and that is other topics that

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are of more interest here what's new if

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anything with regard to the camera

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project well we have Ken Swinehart our

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isp original isp option is now in

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contact with us again after a long

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period of silence we kind of lost track

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of him we didn't really know how to get

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in touch with him he's back in the fold

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again and is going to be talking with

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Adrian our new base station person and

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figuring out a way to get him the

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high-speed Internet that he needs so I

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have a call in for Adrian we're gonna

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talk here in the next day or two

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probably by the time this is broadcast I

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will have spoken with him and we'll

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figure out which of these three options

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that we're gonna use to go ahead and and

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get that thing up and running and we

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have just a few procedural things that

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we need to do before we can actually

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start you know getting the thing

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actually up and operating we also need

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to do this because our team of software

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developers in Italy want to know if that

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software is going to be

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effective with the other 570 and camera

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which they used a 570 hand camera to do

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the development and then we have the

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other one that's gonna be placed at the

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base station so we want to make sure

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that the software is going to be working

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you would think that if it works on one

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camera it'll work on the other it didn't

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work on a second camera in California it

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didn't work as well as we expected it to

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so we've figured out that bug and we're

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hoping we don't have any problems with

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the base station camera so you know it's

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three steps forward two steps back but

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it's it's going and I'll be going up

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there again here in about a month to

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kind of you know work out any bugs that

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might be there once we get this thing up

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on on the roof and on the little tower

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that we're building there so it's baby

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steps here but you know rest assured

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things were moving forward and it's it's

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really good to have Adrian on board he's

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very very enthusiastic and seems to be a

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really really up to speed guy and in

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terms of the tech and and that's

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important because we need we need

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somebody that's going to be able to

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devote some quality time to making sure

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that this thing is operating properly

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and then the next phase will be getting

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the all-sky cam operating properly which

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is the camera that can give you a 180

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degree view of the entire night sky

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which will be the triggering mechanism

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for the other cameras once an event

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happens it's triggered by the all-sky

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cam and then boom sends off the

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coordinate data to the other cameras so

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we just have to take this thing

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incrementally and and take it in steps

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and we're going to then start discussing

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once we get the all-sky cam and the

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camera at Adrian's up and then figure

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out a way to get the one up at the Oasis

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then we're gonna kick into full gear

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with a Kickstarter or GoFundMe campaign

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and generate the cash that we're going

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to need to go ahead and maintain these

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internet accounts and then also get the

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necessary funding together to start

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paying people a little bit of money it

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seems that when people get paid they

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they tend to work a little faster and a

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little bit more diligently and all this

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has been done on spec and everybody's

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been volunteering their time up to this

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point so it's important that everybody

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gets taken care of so that they have

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motivation you know nothing motivates a

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person like a little success and little

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in the pocket so that's the latest

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report now as it stands now we're still

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getting regular reports of strange

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events in that area no oh yeah yeah it's

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just burbling along boy I wish we'd had

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it up about a year and a half ago we had

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a series of events around Blanca that

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were just quite spectacular sounding

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some pretty pretty amazing light

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sightings and then also out in front of

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the great sand dunes around the location

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the I think it's the Med no ranch I'm

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not sure if it's still called that now

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the nation Nature Conservancy has taken

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over parts of the Baca ranch and I think

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that spilled over in parts of the Med no

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I'm not quite sure but we had witnesses

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talking about lights out there you know

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be nice to determine whether the methane

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that's underground there is possibly

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creating the illusion of objects when in

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fact it actually could literally be like

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swamp gas it could be methane somehow

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becoming illuminated out there there's 2

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billion dollars worth of methane

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underneath that area there so you know

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we want to be able to determine and

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figure out exactly what we're dealing

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with whether it's close to the ground

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natural phenomena or these Bigfoot truck

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lights that people keep reporting out

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there over the years and and we had a

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witness who was working at the Hoover

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hot springs is just slightly north and

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west of the location of our last base

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station and they were looking directly

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to the southeast and seeing these these

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strange lights out there it doesn't

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sound like methane to me the lights are

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a white and red usually methane is I

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think blue and green with some red

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possibly but I'm sure some of our

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listeners were correct me if I'm wrong

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here but anyway yes we've had you know

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some events that if we had had the

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cameras up in operating they would have

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registered so you know I think it's

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important to get it up as quickly

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quickly as we can and and then start

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logging the information and then talking

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when talking about getting those the

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server to to receive the signal and then

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have it up there for everybody to be

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able to look at maybe having a little

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window on their computer when they're

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when they're doing work and stuff so

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more eyes are better than you know the

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you know it's again like anything it's

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you know we're taking it in stages just

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a brief reference to this the new iPad

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software coming from iOS 9 from Apple

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this fall will I'm the faster newer

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iPads allow you to set up a second

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screen a second window like a multimedia

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player it'll work fine with us coming up

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in our next segment we'll be talking to

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Cathleen Martin who has been studying

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UFO abductions for a long time she of

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course is Betty Hills nice so she had

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the upfront and personal encounter with

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that situation and a lot of questions

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from our listeners with Jeanne and Chris

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko it's calm that's rock

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oh it's our Ock oids calm we live in a

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complicated society stressful issues are

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always popping up have you ever been

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treated unfairly by someone have you

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ever been overcharged for a repair have

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you ever signed a contract or a document

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worried about identity theft how many

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times have you been in those unique

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situations where you just wanted to call

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an attorney to find out if you're right

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or wrong or what your legal rights are

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but every time you think about calling

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an attorney what do you think about

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for dinner

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what are you doing over there on your

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computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

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mine is falling apart hey did you know

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there's a company called ID stronghold

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that makes shielded wallets to prevent

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electronic pickpocketing

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I didn't realize there was such a thing

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as electronic pickpocketing what is that

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well apparently many of the new credit

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and debit cards being issued have radio

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transmitter banking information to card

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readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

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guy can also get one of these readers

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and go around the city scanning people

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collecting their credit card numbers and

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personal information without us knowing

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it wow that sounds scary since you're

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getting a new wallet anyway you should

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definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

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wallet are they more expensive no in

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fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

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for my ID stronghold calm for the same

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price or less than regular unshielded

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wallets from other stores sounds great

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my wallet isn't falling apart yet but

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back with you we probably don't have

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this all the specifics here but the last

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time I heard from you it was a response

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to the appearance of Robert Schaeffer a

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skeptic on the para cast in August of

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2014 and evidently he had misrepresented

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to a fairly serious degree the Barney

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and Betty hill case now without going

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into specifics because you have to

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listen to the episode again and we're

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talking about ten months ago what are

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the things the skeptics continue to

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wrong about that case well let me say

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that for one thing the skeptics continue

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to state that Betty and Barney only saw

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a bright light in the sky

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they say that they thought that the

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light was following them and then that

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Betty had some dreams and Barney

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believed her dreams and that he simply

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confabulated his own story and that is

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all complete nonsense there is

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documented evidence that Betty and

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Barney had a close encounter with a

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craft it was a structured craft it

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hovered no more than 200 feet above

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their vehicle it descended to within a

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hundred feet of their vehicle there is

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documented evidence and this is

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conscious continuous memory it's

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recorded in the original documents that

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Barney observed entities on board the

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craft who frightened him greatly and he

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stated that they were quote somehow not

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human this was a close encounter with

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non-human entities yes they did have a

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period of missing time after the craft

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hovered over the vehicle as it was

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traveling down the road and they heard a

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series of code like buzzing sounds on

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the trunk of the car

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they had missing time at that point when

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they arrived home they found that there

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was a magnetic field around the trunk of

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their car over those new spots that they

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discovered that hadn't been there the

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day before

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now the debunkers say oh they were only

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water marks that's complete nonsense

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let's ignore the marks let's talk about

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the magnetic field we found that

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magnetic field around other vehicles

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that have been involved in abduction

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cases for example the case of Matthew

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Reed in 2009 an important MUFON case

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there was a magnetic field around the

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trunk of that vehicle just like in the

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case of Betty and Barney there are many

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things that have been stated that are

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absolutely false

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Robert Schafer for example wrote that

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the sky was cloud covered that night

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and that Betty's perception was suck off

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that she didn't even realize there were

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clouds in the sky well in my research I

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decided to look into this I was willing

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to accept the idea that maybe she was

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wrong people make mistakes

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what I discovered is that he was

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deceptive in what he said there were

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clouds in the sky but they were the very

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high cirrus clouds that you see through

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the average person doesn't even know

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that they're there so that is a just

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another example of what I consider to be

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deception in this case it was a bright

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night the moon was waxing gibbous moon

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the the view from the top of Mount

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Washington I believe was a hundred and

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twenty miles that night so go ahead

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sorry to interrupt well you know I want

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to get back quickly if we could to you

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know the magnetic readings on the car

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first of all let me say that you know

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we've always known that debunkers tend

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to get things wrong they tend to gloss

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over details they tend to pick up on

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things and misrepresent them so that's

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kind of par for the course obviously we

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need to set the record straight and I'm

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glad you just did now my questions have

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to do with the magnetic readings who who

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was it that actually you know for our

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listeners that aren't familiar with the

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the inside baseball aspects of the case

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who was it that determined that there

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was magnetism unusual magnetic readings

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from the car how was that determined

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okay what happened was that Betty called

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my mother when when they arrived home

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and told my mother that they were about

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their sighting and that they were very

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very concerned that they might have been

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contaminated we had a neighbor who was a

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physicist and so my mother told Betty

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that she would call our neighbor and see

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what the physicist suggested she do my

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mother did call and the physicist told

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that either she had a compass she should

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take the compass out to the vehicle to

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see how it will react now we know that's

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not going to measure radiation which has

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been stated in the past incorrectly he

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didn't actually say what she should be

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looking for we know that it's the needle

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will spin if you get it up near the

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battery of the car but she started down

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near the trunk of the car and when she

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started there she noticed these new

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highly polished spots on the trunk

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they were the color of the car only

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highly polished they had not been there

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the day before she took the compass and

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she moved it over the top of those spots

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and the needle would spin and spin and

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when she moved it away the needle

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dropped down Barney also tried this the

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same thing happened the upstairs

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neighbors also tried it my family and I

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drove down to their house within two

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days and we saw those spots as well you

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know I'm I'm just wondering how could

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that let's say let's say for the sake of

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argument that the the bunkers say well

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somebody could have done something to

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you know to create that kind of effect

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that was viewed by using the compass how

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could you possibly do something just the

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average person do something to their car

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that would then elicit that kind of

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effect I I'm kind of racking my brain to

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figure out a way that someone could hoax

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something like that and I'm coming up

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with a blank would even have known we

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didn't even know about et contact or

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alien abduction in the United States and

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that timeframe does she know you know no

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this hadn't happened who would have

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known what to look for or what to hope

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that's true but I can't even figure out

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even if they wanted to hoax how they

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could actually create that kind of that

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kind of reading how would you magnetized

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and discolor spots and use that to focus

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in on on some sort of process that could

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elicit that kind of spending of the

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compass needle I'm trying to Rack my

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brain I guess the only other way would

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to have have a big magnet underneath or

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something like that that's the only

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thing that I could think of that would

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work let's do our break here folks

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we have Kathleen Mardon joining gene and

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independently leading the way for the

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nation compelling talk for every

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political persuasion we are and we the

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people grow cotton wheat fabric

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engraving can bed strips and fibers to

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protect from counterfeit than carding to

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a private bank having it led back at

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interest

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forcing taxes to service debt this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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and why this is something that couldn't

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have been staged there were physical

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effects and that's even before we

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consider the abduction experience itself

651
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so even if that didn't happen you'd

652
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still have a pretty compelling UFO case

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right yeah you would

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I think compelling is a bit of an

655
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understatement although you know we have

656
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had some some people come up with with

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potential alternative theories about

658
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what actually could have happened I've

659
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heard bannered about in the last few

660
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years that this possibly could have been

661
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some sort of weird MKULTRA psyops type

662
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experiment with two unwitting victims

663
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basically being selected out for some

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reason and then having something like

665
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this staged that that explanation you

666
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:16,409
know it just doesn't you'd have to come

667
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up with a lot of pretty far-out sort of

668
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theorizing and and some pretty wild

669
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explanations to come up with a way to

670
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explain some of the information that

671
00:28:31,489 --> 00:28:30,209
later came out but what do you say to

672
00:28:33,469 --> 00:28:31,499
people that say well was near a military

673
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base and this could have been some sort

674
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of weird sort of governmental you know

675
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SIOP project and embedding Barney just

676
00:28:43,969 --> 00:28:40,739
happened to be in the wrong car at the

677
00:28:46,539 --> 00:28:43,979
wrong place at the right time you have

678
00:28:49,779 --> 00:28:46,549
to think about did we have this

679
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:49,789
nefarious group of individuals who were

680
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flying around in violent structured

681
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craft that was oval in shape or circular

682
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in shape it emitted absolutely no noise

683
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that suffer of course the buzzing sound

684
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:09,989
on the trunk of the car it could out

685
00:29:14,659 --> 00:29:12,299
flying out maneuver anything that we had

686
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:14,669
on earth at that time so they must have

687
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had really advanced knowledge you know

688
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maybe they were in cahoots with the ETS

689
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:24,629
however Betty and Barney did not report

690
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:28,769
seeing humans on board that craft it has

691
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:31,770
been misrepresented

692
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:34,830
the press and the media that Barney

693
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,800
actually did observe Nazis on the craft

694
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dressed in Nazi uniforms that is false

695
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:44,670
in all of his conscious recall and there

696
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,160
all of the documented evidence he stated

697
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that they were nonhumans and that they

698
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were dressed in black shiny uniforms he

699
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:55,440
stated that their physical appearance

700
00:30:03,530 --> 00:29:59,790
was not human so you have to remember

701
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:03,540
that part of it too under hypnosis he

702
00:30:12,890 --> 00:30:08,700
did state to dr. Simon that they

703
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reminded him of Nazis dr. Simon told

704
00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:16,890
Barney in this process of hypno analysis

705
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,470
that he was doing with Barney this was

706
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:22,320
not just chip now therapy he told Barney

707
00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:25,770
for this hypno analysis to recall

708
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:29,160
anything in his past that brought up the

709
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level of fear that he was experiencing

710
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at that moment Barney had served in the

711
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Army during World War two it brought up

712
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,720
a memory of the movement of Nazi

713
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officers the way they moved their bodies

714
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:47,880
how they turned in uniforms during his

715
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:50,760
first hypnosis session after he had had

716
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:54,960
a very violent ab reaction to all of

717
00:31:02,300 --> 00:30:58,530
this this huge release of emotion Barney

718
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:02,310
did erroneously state he looks like a

719
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:06,270
Nazi he is nothing he never said that

720
00:31:12,410 --> 00:31:08,990
again he said a lot of false things

721
00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:12,420
during this state of shock and trauma

722
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:15,180
that he was going through he had never

723
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:17,730
said it before he didn't say it in

724
00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:21,750
subsequent recall and dr. Simon did

725
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,420
return him to that same spot over and

726
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:27,480
over again in his memories as he was

727
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:30,900
able to get a clearer view consciously

728
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:34,440
of what actually did transpire during

729
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:36,690
that timeframe when he was so terribly

730
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,290
frightened it goes on and on when

731
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:43,020
someone has a very firmly held belief

732
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:44,850
that these

733
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:49,140
are all blackops and working in cahoots

734
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:53,130
with nefarious gray aliens you're not

735
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:54,950
going to change their mind

736
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,450
probably even presenting the evidence

737
00:32:01,940 --> 00:31:59,880
they want to believe it there's some

738
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:01,950
kind of a thrilled that they get out of

739
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:04,380
believing it and people are entitled to

740
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:07,170
their own beliefs I guess yeah well

741
00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:09,570
Kathleen one thing that I can say in all

742
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:12,830
honesty I have heard parts of the tape

743
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:16,830
of Barney's regression and you know he

744
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:18,330
missed his calling I mean if he was

745
00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:20,370
making this up and he was acting out

746
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:22,830
this information the guy the guy was an

747
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:25,050
Academy Award winning actor there's no

748
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:26,910
question in my mind that he was relating

749
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,450
things from an emotional deep emotional

750
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state that had an incredible impact on

751
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:35,670
him there's no question about that in my

752
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:39,630
mind now correct me if I'm wrong but you

753
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,600
actually knew the man and you were a

754
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:45,480
child but still you uh I'm sure you got

755
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:47,850
a sense of his veracity and why would

756
00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:49,980
somebody make something so outlandish up

757
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:51,900
there was no precedent for it and and

758
00:32:57,620 --> 00:32:54,540
just the the emotional quality of his

759
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:57,630
voices is is almost chilling if I

760
00:33:00,410 --> 00:32:58,710
remember correctly I've only heard it

761
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:00,420
once and I forget who played it for me

762
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:04,050
but I remember I was very taken by its

763
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:05,810
it sure sounded legit to me

764
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:10,740
well dr. James McDonald asked dr. Ben

765
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:14,850
Simon this Khayat rest' about this and

766
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:18,090
dr. Simon said that the degree of

767
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:21,690
emotional intensity in Barney during

768
00:33:29,770 --> 00:33:25,530
this event was as great or greater than

769
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,780
he had ever seen in any of the soldiers

770
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:32,220
returning soldiers that he had treated

771
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:36,150
after World War two it was it was very

772
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:38,310
intense and I have to tell you as well

773
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:42,360
that at one point in Betty's experience

774
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:46,440
onboard the craft dr. Simon had to stop

775
00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:50,490
the hypnosis session early due to the

776
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,040
degree of emotional trauma that she was

777
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:56,580
experiencing at that moment it's I think

778
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:58,110
it would be pretty hard to make that up

779
00:34:00,920 --> 00:33:58,500
and Ben

780
00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:00,930
Barney would have no reason to make that

781
00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:03,300
up anyway they were civil rights leaders

782
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:05,520
she was a social worker for the state of

783
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,460
New Hampshire he was appointed by the

784
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:11,040
governor to serve on the u.s. Civil

785
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:13,409
Rights Commission state advisory

786
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:16,980
committee they never wanted this story

787
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,530
to be made public it was released to the

788
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:21,810
public as the result of a violation of

789
00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:24,690
confidentiality and it had a negative

790
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:27,840
impact on their lives now obviously

791
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:30,899
we've all heard about the experiences

792
00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:34,230
they report on board this craft but the

793
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:36,149
question I have here is we hear of

794
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:37,889
course about screen memories were

795
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,070
supposedly false memories are implanted

796
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:43,760
on a person to cover up the experience

797
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:47,159
but the question I have here by the same

798
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:50,490
token is it possible that the actual

799
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,710
experience differed from what they

800
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:55,919
remember and they're only remembering

801
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,710
either what they were told to remember

802
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:00,900
or something they couldn't understand

803
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:02,580
and they interpret it in the way that

804
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:06,690
seems to make sense I can tell you that

805
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:09,330
I have looked at this in terms of

806
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:12,410
identifying straight screen memories and

807
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,420
the first thing that came to mind is

808
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:18,180
when Betty and Barney had turned off

809
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:22,380
onto that dirt road without

810
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,250
intentionally doing that and found that

811
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:28,560
there were figures standing in the road

812
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:33,480
and the car engine died Barney at that

813
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:37,470
point was talking about was he looking

814
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:41,390
at a Cheshire Cat he saw glowing eyes

815
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:45,900
was this a cat up in a tree Betty

816
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:49,710
spoke about a jack-o'-lantern head now

817
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:51,930
with these green memories or were they

818
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:54,690
only talking about the glistening eyes

819
00:36:01,610 --> 00:35:58,380
of the ETS I'm not sure about that it

820
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:01,620
could possibly have been a screen memory

821
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:04,740
but very quickly Betty and Barney did

822
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,430
notice that there were non-human entity

823
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:10,980
standing in the road and that they

824
00:36:15,859 --> 00:36:12,390
divided into two

825
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:15,869
and approached the car let's get on to

826
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,249
other possible screen memories let's do

827
00:36:24,979 --> 00:36:23,160
that in our next segment okay all right

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Kathleen Mardin is joining us were

829
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recounting some of the ins and outs of

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the Barney and Betty hill case before we

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get to other cases and something that

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she indicated that some of these

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abductions are pretty recent we'll have

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928
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talking to Kathleen Martin about screen

929
00:41:36,140 --> 00:41:34,260
memories and relationship to the Barney

930
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:36,150
and Betty hill case I think one of the

931
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,950
things I was saying here is that it's

932
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:39,960
common to talk of screen memories is

933
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,670
something like remembering owls and

934
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:44,160
things like that and I'm suggesting well

935
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:46,620
is it also possible that some of the key

936
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:49,050
elements of the abduction experience

937
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:51,560
itself with the aliens allegedly

938
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:55,070
wouldn't they possibly be also a

939
00:42:01,220 --> 00:41:57,500
possible screen memory of something else

940
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:01,230
what I'd like to say is that oftentimes

941
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:05,160
the ETS will place their eyes very close

942
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:09,090
to it's an experience or eyes and impart

943
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:13,380
information to the experiencer that

944
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:15,570
happened with Barney he felt as if the

945
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:19,050
eyes were pressing into his eyes but he

946
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:22,770
was being told not to be frightened that

947
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,450
everything would be okay

948
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:27,420
that they needed only to do a few simple

949
00:42:33,110 --> 00:42:30,390
tests and they would be released

950
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:33,120
unharmed and Betty received the same

951
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:37,290
message the message was true and I don't

952
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:39,690
believe that that was a screen memory if

953
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:45,110
we go on to you know take a step by step

954
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:48,750
analysis of the process that Betty and

955
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:50,870
Barney each went through on the craft

956
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:55,560
they were describing the same thing but

957
00:43:02,240 --> 00:42:59,220
Betty used many more words she always

958
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:02,250
used many more words in her descriptive

959
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:06,750
details then Barney did and Barney had

960
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:09,660
his eyes closed he was describing the

961
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:13,710
sensation of having his shoes removed of

962
00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:15,269
having his feet examined

963
00:43:20,149 --> 00:43:17,909
his legs his knees his joints his hand

964
00:43:23,179 --> 00:43:20,159
he was going through the same thing that

965
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:23,189
Betty described only he spoke of it in

966
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:26,130
less detail he said that he felt they

967
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,880
were something pressing into the

968
00:43:34,759 --> 00:43:31,859
vertebrae in his back

969
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,769
Betty stated that she felt that they had

970
00:43:39,499 --> 00:43:37,079
some kind of stylus of some kind of

971
00:43:42,169 --> 00:43:39,509
instrument and that they had a screen on

972
00:43:44,509 --> 00:43:42,179
the wall that they were watching as they

973
00:43:47,269 --> 00:43:44,519
did this as they were checking their

974
00:43:51,739 --> 00:43:47,279
nervous systems what you have is the

975
00:43:55,009 --> 00:43:51,749
same story told by each and and it

976
00:43:57,799 --> 00:43:55,019
correlates in detail when you take out

977
00:44:01,159 --> 00:43:57,809
when you look at the basic story and

978
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:01,169
take out all of the extra words that

979
00:44:06,439 --> 00:44:03,390
Betty used to describe what she was

980
00:44:10,579 --> 00:44:06,449
going through so I don't think that that

981
00:44:14,469 --> 00:44:10,589
part was a screen memory but we do know

982
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:14,479
that Betty's and Barney's memory was

983
00:44:22,129 --> 00:44:18,359
wiped out in terms of what actually

984
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,139
happened on the craft they remembered

985
00:44:27,529 --> 00:44:25,319
consciously seeing a roadblock they

986
00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:27,539
didn't know where or when it occurred

987
00:44:33,319 --> 00:44:30,719
they knew that they were missing time

988
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:33,329
that they were in one location and then

989
00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:35,729
they found themselves suddenly in a new

990
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:36,809
location

991
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:40,049
35 miles down the road they knew that

992
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:41,579
they had missing time and they had

993
00:44:45,919 --> 00:44:43,529
physical evidence that something had

994
00:44:48,979 --> 00:44:45,929
occurred that that physical evidence has

995
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:48,989
been examined in laboratories with

996
00:44:54,379 --> 00:44:51,689
anomalous results there's a whole lot of

997
00:44:57,469 --> 00:44:54,389
evidence that something occurred here

998
00:45:00,319 --> 00:44:57,479
and that it was non terrestrial in

999
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:00,329
origin but in in terms of screen

1000
00:45:04,969 --> 00:45:01,049
memories

1001
00:45:06,649 --> 00:45:04,979
I can only say possibly at the beginning

1002
00:45:09,379 --> 00:45:06,659
when Barney thought he was looking at a

1003
00:45:12,439 --> 00:45:09,389
Cheshire cat and that Betty thought she

1004
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:12,449
was looking at a jack-o-lantern head yes

1005
00:45:18,859 --> 00:45:15,089
but I'm saying here the screen memory

1006
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:18,869
could possibly be the details

1007
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:22,169
they eventually recalled of meeting up

1008
00:45:28,429 --> 00:45:24,599
with extraterrestrials or presumed

1009
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:28,439
extraterrestrials could itself have been

1010
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:29,190
something that

1011
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:30,900
was at variance with what really

1012
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:33,480
happened if the aliens to do

1013
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:35,670
mind-control why couldn't it be with

1014
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:39,119
regard to the core experience its if the

1015
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,050
core experience actually was constructed

1016
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:48,240
in some way by the ETS and not what

1017
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:51,210
actually did happen on that craft I

1018
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:53,480
don't know I mean anything is possible

1019
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:56,760
yet the story that Betty and Barney told

1020
00:46:03,790 --> 00:46:00,000
about that core experience has been

1021
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:03,800
retold over and over and over again by

1022
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:06,510
experiences so if it's a screen memory

1023
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:08,910
experiences are all receiving the same

1024
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:11,609
screen memory yes but if it's generated

1025
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:15,240
by ET this is what they want whoever and

1026
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,430
whatever they are they're subjects to

1027
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:19,800
remember wouldn't they repeat the same

1028
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,450
routine with anyone else they come in

1029
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:24,720
contact with well let me ask you this if

1030
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,000
they were going to give humans a screen

1031
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:29,520
memory wouldn't they want to make it

1032
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:32,790
pleasant for human why would you want

1033
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,730
individuals on board the craft going

1034
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:37,740
through some kind of very strange

1035
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,339
physical examination why would you want

1036
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:43,470
someone to remember a needle being

1037
00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:50,700
plunged into their navel why are you and

1038
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:53,550
and for Barney having semen extracted

1039
00:47:05,660 --> 00:46:56,490
yeah why you know why would you that's a

1040
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:05,670
really good question maybe they don't

1041
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:07,470
care about their reputation because we

1042
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:09,990
can't analyze in aliens motives and also

1043
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:11,250
the other thing I think people worry

1044
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:13,410
about is why they seem to use such

1045
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:16,530
primitive painful methods to perform

1046
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,230
physical examinations I would think they

1047
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:21,660
would be far in advance of us if they're

1048
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:24,089
coming here from other star systems why

1049
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,420
can't they just do it painlessly and

1050
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,099
respect the local populace it sounds to

1051
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:31,380
me like they're treating us like just

1052
00:47:41,059 --> 00:47:35,819
animals nothing to take seriously my

1053
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:41,069
that is my largest concern about the et

1054
00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:42,940
contact experience

1055
00:47:50,579 --> 00:47:46,750
why do they induce pain before they

1056
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:50,589
remove that pain why don't they just do

1057
00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:53,140
that process so that the human doesn't

1058
00:48:00,000 --> 00:47:57,369
feel the pain to begin with and I wish

1059
00:48:04,109 --> 00:48:00,010
that I could communicate that message to

1060
00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:04,119
them because it is is simply not fair

1061
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:07,150
for them to be doing that to people well

1062
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:09,400
of course as I said we don't know what

1063
00:48:13,319 --> 00:48:10,780
their motives are certainly if they're

1064
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:13,329
not hostile towards us why would they

1065
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:15,640
inflict pain because isn't it true that

1066
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:18,190
if you undergo an abduction experience

1067
00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:21,460
regardless of the source it's painful

1068
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:22,359
it's traumatic

1069
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:26,050
I mean if each he's coming here and

1070
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:27,220
doesn't mean us harm

1071
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:30,490
why cause such grief someone's life is

1072
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:33,130
totally turned upside down from this you

1073
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:34,630
know they're not being trained in proper

1074
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:46,329
bedside manner and healing think about

1075
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:49,210
the the people who have been healed by

1076
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:53,260
each ease and the healing process can be

1077
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,560
painful - you feel electrical charges

1078
00:48:59,760 --> 00:48:58,720
running through your body but then

1079
00:49:04,170 --> 00:48:59,770
you're healed

1080
00:49:10,589 --> 00:49:04,180
from maybe a mental may of not meant a

1081
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,599
major illness so you know it caused some

1082
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:13,119
pain but there was a benevolent purpose

1083
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:16,060
behind it no I had a case where my you

1084
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,410
know my experience her claim that she

1085
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:20,319
actually felt much pleasure and fell in

1086
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,150
love with her abductor even though he

1087
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:25,119
was kind of not the the neatest thing to

1088
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:28,030
look at he definitely did have a bedside

1089
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:34,750
manner and she really fell for that he

1090
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:37,810
had a very positive attitude toward the

1091
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:39,970
leader the one she called the leader -

1092
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,010
that I call the escort because he comes

1093
00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:43,839
back to see you over and over again

1094
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:48,220
during your lifetime but there is one

1095
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:51,010
individual on the craft that does seem

1096
00:49:56,339 --> 00:49:55,119
to form a bond with experiencers and in

1097
00:49:58,109 --> 00:49:56,349
my research and

1098
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:58,119
my research project that I did with

1099
00:50:04,829 --> 00:50:02,220
Denise stoner in 2012 we found that

1100
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:04,839
people once they arrived on the craft

1101
00:50:11,999 --> 00:50:08,410
tended to feel comfortable they were in

1102
00:50:14,009 --> 00:50:12,009
a familiar environment and they had

1103
00:50:17,009 --> 00:50:14,019
established a good relationship with

1104
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,019
this individual who removed the pain so

1105
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:19,839
unfortunately you know we get back to

1106
00:50:24,569 --> 00:50:21,910
why is why are they causing pain to

1107
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:24,579
begin with they don't need to do this I

1108
00:50:29,849 --> 00:50:27,609
don't think I'd like to know the answer

1109
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:29,859
to that question well you know you're

1110
00:50:34,109 --> 00:50:31,660
talking about an escort and possible

1111
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,119
leaders who may be calling the shots

1112
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:36,400
here we have a question from our forums

1113
00:50:40,229 --> 00:50:38,859
at forum dr. Peric ascom where our

1114
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:40,239
listeners are able to ask questions of

1115
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:43,359
our guests and cosmonaut who again he's

1116
00:50:48,089 --> 00:50:45,849
been you know on our forums since 2009

1117
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:48,099
he's only asked a few questions and he

1118
00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:50,380
came out to ask you one and he's

1119
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:52,420
wondering what you take is on dr. Jacobs

1120
00:50:57,469 --> 00:50:55,390
concept that the mantis insect types are

1121
00:50:59,819 --> 00:50:57,479
in command of the other alien types

1122
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,829
that's the first question and then the

1123
00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:02,079
second question is that Jacobs has a

1124
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,549
concept that the hybrids are being

1125
00:51:08,009 --> 00:51:06,160
trained to infiltrate human society have

1126
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:08,019
you found any evidence in your

1127
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:09,700
investigative work and research that

1128
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:12,670
that can support these ideas well pick

1129
00:51:17,789 --> 00:51:15,609
up on that answer Kathleen in a couple

1130
00:51:19,709 --> 00:51:17,799
of minutes what do want to say that I

1131
00:51:21,299 --> 00:51:19,719
understand dr. Jacobs has a new book

1132
00:51:23,609 --> 00:51:21,309
that's probably coming out a few months

1133
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:23,619
which will sum up a lot of us work so

1134
00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:25,630
we'll y know more about that Kathleen

1135
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:27,789
Martinez here with Jean and Chris you're

1136
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:38,099
[Music]

1137
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:40,329
independently leading the way for the

1138
00:51:48,099 --> 00:51:43,190
nation compelling talk for every

1139
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,109
political persuasion we are see and Pete

1140
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:49,520
notary spokesperson Adam Pulaski of the

1141
00:51:51,549 --> 00:51:50,630
Pulaski law firm a principal often use

1142
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,559
detect assist the attorney was muscle

1143
00:51:53,799 --> 00:51:52,880
for the content of this and is not legal

1144
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:53,809
advice in the choice of a lawyer shut up

1145
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,680
you based only upon advertisement

1146
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:55,760
services may not be available states

1147
00:51:59,170 --> 00:51:57,410
attentions are well tell users if you

1148
00:52:00,760 --> 00:51:59,180
are a loved one took Xarelto and

1149
00:52:01,630 --> 00:52:00,770
suffered a serious bleeding event you

1150
00:52:02,589 --> 00:52:01,640
may be entitled to financial

1151
00:52:04,569 --> 00:52:02,599
compensation

1152
00:52:06,099 --> 00:52:04,579
Xarelto is a popular prescription blood

1153
00:52:07,569 --> 00:52:06,109
thinner used to prevent blood clots and

1154
00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:07,579
protect patients from strokes the

1155
00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:08,900
serious bleeding events have led to

1156
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:10,520
numerous cases of hospitalization and

1157
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:12,589
even death phone lines are open 24/7

1158
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:14,930
call 802 six one zero nine three seven

1159
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:17,270
that's 800 two six one zero nine three

1160
00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:19,369
seven hi this is Ted Anderson have you

1161
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:20,990
ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

1162
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:22,609
investment advisors won't talk about

1163
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gold IRAs they've been available since

1164
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:26,299
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

1165
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:28,010
industry won't recognize the value of

1166
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:29,690
gold for your tireless goal has

1167
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:31,670
outperformed paper investments yet no

1168
00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:33,410
word about IRAs if you would like to

1169
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,500
have gold for your retirement call 866

1170
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1171
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1172
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:43,059
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1173
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1174
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1175
00:53:59,420 --> 00:53:55,720
[Applause]

1176
00:54:03,760 --> 00:53:59,430
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1177
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:03,770
standard of paranormal radio and now

1178
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:07,760
here's Jane Steinberg

1179
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:10,550
[Music]

1180
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,290
so the question on the table relates to

1181
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,500
the research of dr. David Jacobs who as

1182
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:18,480
I said has a new book coming out in the

1183
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:21,390
near future we have Kathleen Martin with

1184
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:25,320
us you have a response yes in terms of

1185
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:29,210
the Mantis type I have interviewed

1186
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,000
several experiencers who have been in

1187
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:36,000
contact with the Mantis types and the

1188
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:39,570
gray types working together and it does

1189
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,050
appear that the Mantis types might be in

1190
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,020
charge over this type but then I've

1191
00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:49,140
spoken with many many more who have also

1192
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:53,100
seen more human looking types on the

1193
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:55,320
craft these are the Nordic types and

1194
00:55:03,470 --> 00:54:58,800
they have felt that the Nordic types are

1195
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:03,480
really in charge so more common the

1196
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,970
Mantis type suit to my knowledge are not

1197
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:08,250
very they're pretty rarely reported if

1198
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,310
correct me if I'm wrong they are right

1199
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,680
around the same percentage as the

1200
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:16,500
reptilian type from my research I'll

1201
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:18,260
tell you either one of those types would

1202
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:26,190
definitely give me a pause female and

1203
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,920
like like some yosity you know Billy

1204
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:30,420
Meyers photograph of one of the Dean

1205
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:31,890
Martin girls if they look like that I'd

1206
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:36,390
be cool but you know you start you know

1207
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:39,930
giant bugs and you know giant bipedal

1208
00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:42,330
lizards and I don't know I I would have

1209
00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:44,340
a problem with that I would too I

1210
00:55:48,350 --> 00:55:45,750
wouldn't want to be in the same room

1211
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:48,360
with one now the other question was

1212
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:52,310
about David Jacobs hybrid theory that

1213
00:56:00,070 --> 00:55:56,490
hybrids are being raised in Venus happen

1214
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:00,080
that they are going to infiltrate our

1215
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:03,540
society I'm still on the fence about

1216
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:04,560
that one

1217
00:56:09,279 --> 00:56:05,660
what I have fun

1218
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:09,289
is that it appears that when we talk

1219
00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:11,450
about experiencers where this is

1220
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:14,180
occurring along genetic lines that there

1221
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:18,380
is some alteration taking place to the

1222
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,900
human fetus and that the the fetus that

1223
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,720
is developed into a baby and well is

1224
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:29,839
born on earth often tends to have a very

1225
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:33,470
high IQ to be more empathic than most

1226
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,170
humans they might be intuitive or

1227
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:39,680
psychic they have appear to have special

1228
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:44,920
gifts that most kids simply don't have

1229
00:56:51,730 --> 00:56:48,049
so there appears to be some genetic

1230
00:56:55,089 --> 00:56:51,740
alteration along human lines now are

1231
00:56:58,329 --> 00:56:55,099
they inserting some alien DNA in there

1232
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,339
and sort of splicing process I have no

1233
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:01,280
idea about that but there does seem to

1234
00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:04,250
be changes in these babies that are born

1235
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:07,900
that are also changes that take place

1236
00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:12,740
among experiences so I really don't know

1237
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:15,579
that what is going on there in terms of

1238
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:19,640
hybrids infiltrating our society I only

1239
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:23,599
know of individuals who believe they are

1240
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:27,529
hybrids that they have been hybrids born

1241
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:31,849
to American families and have grown up

1242
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:34,190
in American families but believe that

1243
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:38,240
they are part Ichi do I have any

1244
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:40,940
evidence of that no it's all anecdotal

1245
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:44,809
report so it's not like the old TV show

1246
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:46,940
from the 60s the invaders the they don't

1247
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:48,410
walk around with their pinkies kind of

1248
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:56,019
it was that simple you know to be able

1249
00:58:01,410 --> 00:57:58,220
to ID them that way you know oh there's

1250
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,420
a guy with a cook pinkie quick grab him

1251
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,160
right and you know and these individuals

1252
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:06,890
who are having this happen and and

1253
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:10,490
reporting it confidentially certainly do

1254
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,770
not want to take part in medical

1255
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:15,920
examinations or to have their children's

1256
00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:18,140
names released to the public because

1257
00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:19,420
they're fearful of

1258
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:21,220
what might happen to them and their

1259
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:22,750
children there are some pretty nasty

1260
00:58:28,349 --> 00:58:24,790
people out there well the big question

1261
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,359
we have here is if there are human-alien

1262
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:30,640
hybrids and I'll assume there's genetic

1263
00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:33,609
compatibility or ET is capable of

1264
00:58:37,049 --> 00:58:36,460
creating that compatibility how do we

1265
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:37,059
prove it

1266
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,369
even if someone remembers an experience

1267
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:42,400
aboard a spacecraft that this is going

1268
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:45,670
on or it's told this is happening how do

1269
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:47,980
we prove that theory unless we have

1270
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,430
people who we can show by dint of their

1271
00:58:56,339 --> 00:58:53,200
DNA that there's something weird going

1272
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,349
on and will this even show up in our in

1273
00:59:02,490 --> 00:58:59,440
our DNA test we have a lot of DNA now

1274
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:02,500
that we consider to be junk DNA but what

1275
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:05,260
if that DNA is spliced into what we

1276
00:59:08,849 --> 00:59:07,180
consider to be junk DNA and is

1277
00:59:11,549 --> 00:59:08,859
meaningless we would never be able to

1278
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:11,559
prove that well the question is here

1279
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:14,380
then which goes back to the kind of work

1280
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:17,260
dr. Jacobs has done how widespread do

1281
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:20,049
you think UFO abductions are and is it

1282
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:23,020
something that is happening among all

1283
00:59:27,809 --> 00:59:25,089
elements of the population in all

1284
00:59:31,140 --> 00:59:27,819
countries well I can tell you that in

1285
00:59:34,530 --> 00:59:31,150
the past year and I am muffinz director

1286
00:59:38,010 --> 00:59:34,540
of experience or research we put out a

1287
00:59:41,970 --> 00:59:38,020
questionnaire and people can go online

1288
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:41,980
MUFON comm and they can take the 30

1289
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:44,049
question questionnaire and fill it out

1290
00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:48,250
and the information goes back to me what

1291
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:50,829
this gets them is if they want to speak

1292
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,849
with a member of my team about their

1293
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,799
experiences and this would be someone

1294
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,200
who is being non-judgmental and

1295
01:00:03,539 --> 01:00:01,839
supportive they can they can get that or

1296
01:00:06,990 --> 01:00:03,549
they can find out what they might have

1297
01:00:09,059 --> 01:00:07,000
in common with other experiences but

1298
01:00:11,579 --> 01:00:09,069
what I wanted to say not that I have led

1299
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:11,589
up to that is that we've received over a

1300
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:16,500
thousand reports in the past year alone

1301
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:21,750
it this is pretty fast I'm I'm just

1302
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:25,569
awestruck by the number of individuals

1303
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:29,040
who believe that they have been taken

1304
01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:32,800
and are very concerned

1305
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:36,280
you know I used to think that that 3.7

1306
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:40,000
million Americans who were believed to

1307
01:00:47,340 --> 01:00:43,570
be experiencers in in the study that was

1308
01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:47,350
done with Budd Hopkins and others the

1309
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:50,380
Roper poll I thought that that was

1310
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:53,050
inflated but I'm beginning to wonder if

1311
01:00:59,010 --> 01:00:56,770
it actually is so many people are coming

1312
01:01:01,140 --> 01:00:59,020
forward and stating they believe this

1313
01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:01,150
has happened to them you've seen

1314
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:04,540
consistencies or are you seeing anything

1315
01:01:10,550 --> 01:01:07,570
that is indicating some sort of

1316
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:10,560
commonality besides what we have already

1317
01:01:15,870 --> 01:01:13,570
experienced since Betty and Barney Hill

1318
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:15,880
are we seeing any changes in the quality

1319
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:17,230
of reports in terms of what they're

1320
01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:19,390
reporting is there any sort of trends

1321
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:22,750
that you see what I'm finding is that

1322
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:25,330
there are more and more individuals who

1323
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:28,990
are finding patterns marks on their

1324
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,550
bodies and and I don't want to tell the

1325
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:36,160
public what those marks are but I'm

1326
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:38,170
finding that kind of thing I'm also

1327
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:41,580
finding individuals who have memories of

1328
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,490
experiences on the craft you know but

1329
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:47,200
these are the same memories that have

1330
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:49,150
been reported for a very very long time

1331
01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:52,450
I there are newer scenarios that are

1332
01:02:05,510 --> 01:01:56,280
taking place and I receive information

1333
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:09,030
you seen consistency using indication

1334
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:11,830
that these people are are sharing what

1335
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:16,300
appears to be common descriptions of the

1336
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:18,310
impact or effect of these things even

1337
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,550
physically yes yes I am finding wow

1338
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:23,680
that's that's interesting in that number

1339
01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:25,770
we're up in four figures oh that that's

1340
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:28,180
that's actually very surprising to me

1341
01:02:32,670 --> 01:02:30,820
excuse me another question here Kathleen

1342
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,680
I'm sorry I interrupted we were going to

1343
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:34,720
break in I wanted to really push this

1344
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:38,310
before of these cases reported a

1345
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:41,920
thousand are they recent abductions or

1346
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:50,599
areas that have occurred over a lifetime

1347
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:53,470
recent only because they have been

1348
01:03:00,329 --> 01:02:57,490
revisited recently there I received very

1349
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:00,339
very few cases of individuals who are

1350
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:04,329
taken for the first time unless it's

1351
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experiences that are taking place

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the thing I wanted to ask whether UFO

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abductions as some suggest died down a

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long time ago where they still we're

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know I was told no more hard labor then

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taking extended light it's been approved

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question I had asked and she was

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responding to Kathleen Martin was

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whether abductions kind of died off for

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the most part a few years ago or they

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had been continuing I guess on the base

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of your answer they still go on do you

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see a higher percentage of lower

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percentage Kathleen Martin what I'm

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seeing a much higher percentage than has

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ever been reported before people are

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coming forward in many people in their

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50s and 60s are coming forward now

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because they feel that they can risk

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telling someone about this and I have to

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tell you that some of these reports are

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from highly credible individuals as well

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even military officers and airline

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pilots and that sort of thing so yes

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these are not a bunch of nuts who are

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coming forward to tell what has occurred

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and for the most part these events have

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occurred many many times very seldom do

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we receive cases that are brand-new

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where you know Betty and Barney's case

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was a dream case Travis Waltons case was

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a dream case we had evidence we had

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witnesses and in those types of cases

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we're not finding that very often

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nowadays what we're finding is just that

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it follows family genetic lines and that

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there are certain characteristics that

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are prevalent in all of these different

1497
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:49,839
cases well you know that's something

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that I'd like to point out here and

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that's and I think this is very

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important for the skeptical community to

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be aware of and and that is that it's

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not just Billy ba

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or Betty Sue in a trailer park in some

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rural area of the country here as you

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01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:10,570
pointed out we're talking about you know

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incredible witnesses in in some cases in

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many cases it sounds like that people

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that you would not suspect would come

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forward with a tale like this or a claim

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01:10:25,050 --> 01:10:23,920
like this are coming forward and and in

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saying that they've had these

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experiences and that to me is is really

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01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:30,010
important to point out to the skeptical

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01:10:34,530 --> 01:10:32,350
community I think I think by and large a

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lot of these the the Schafer's and the

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Lance movies and the the fill classes of

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01:10:42,419 --> 01:10:40,510
the world tend to just paint with a

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broad brush strokes a and these are just

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individuals that you know need a life

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and they they're seeking attention and

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01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:49,000
and they're just you know grandstanding

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or you know whatever excuse you can come

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up with for someone to come forward with

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01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,969
a you know with a fraudulent claim like

1525
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this but from the sound of it it doesn't

1526
01:11:00,540 --> 01:10:58,150
sound like that's that's a case at all

1527
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,550
that we're we're actually seeing people

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with a lot to lose that are coming

1529
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:06,219
forward possibly later on in life as you

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said in their 50s and 60s I mean I had

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01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:10,030
an experience when I was seven years old

1532
01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:11,530
that I can't explain that

1533
01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:14,020
involved non-human entities so I you

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:16,989
know I personally you know have a you

1535
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:19,090
know I have a very deep connection to

1536
01:11:24,540 --> 01:11:22,630
this subject although I'm often you know

1537
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:24,550
I accuse myself of being in denial about

1538
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:27,010
it which I guess I am in some sense of

1539
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:28,300
the word but I think it's really

1540
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:30,190
important to underscore that fact that

1541
01:11:35,609 --> 01:11:33,250
we do have the quality of witnesses and

1542
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:35,619
not only what you're describing Kathleen

1543
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,090
from this past year but over the years

1544
01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:39,280
urban there definitely is something to

1545
01:11:43,649 --> 01:11:41,080
this and you know I think more attention

1546
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:43,659
needs to be a more objective attention

1547
01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:45,610
needs to be placed on this and you're I

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think you're a very good person to be in

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01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:49,570
the driver's seat here in terms of being

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01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:52,060
someone that's working with these people

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01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,040
because you do sound you know I think

1552
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fairly grounded and objective and you

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01:12:00,090 --> 01:11:58,119
have a lifelong interest in this I mean

1554
01:12:02,669 --> 01:12:00,100
this is something that struck close to

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home in your family with your hand

1556
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:06,760
one thing that I'm interested in to know

1557
01:12:12,750 --> 01:12:10,719
and this goes back to a question that we

1558
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:12,760
have in our forums that forum dr. Peric

1559
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:13,930
ascom again

1560
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:15,790
this comes from cosmonaut who you've

1561
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:18,310
pulled out of our lurker closet here

1562
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:21,730
what about multiple abductions you know

1563
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:24,880
I I ran into Dale muster here at the

1564
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:27,370
recent UFO international UFO Congress I

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:28,810
hadn't seen Dale in quite a number of

1566
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:31,210
years at least 12 or 13 years I had

1567
01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:33,550
spent a bit of time with him back in the

1568
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:36,670
mid 90s and his mass abduction case of

1569
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:40,210
1992 and then his individual case where

1570
01:12:45,630 --> 01:12:43,420
he was teleported somehow from in front

1571
01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:45,640
of the Air Force Academy on i-25 and

1572
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:47,500
then woke up driving his car in Dalhart

1573
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:49,710
Texas which is one of the more amazing

1574
01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:52,450
accounts that I'm aware of but are you

1575
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:54,820
familiar with the the multiple abduction

1576
01:12:58,890 --> 01:12:56,530
case in 1992 and what are your thoughts

1577
01:13:00,510 --> 01:12:58,900
about that and could you also give our

1578
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,520
listeners a little bit of a rundown on

1579
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:01,840
that case because it's it's quite a

1580
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:05,110
unique one well I I wanted to talk about

1581
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:07,780
the multiple of adduction case that I

1582
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:11,050
wrote about in the alien abduction files

1583
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:14,350
and this I was I want you to kind of

1584
01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:17,530
dovetail into that okay in terms of the

1585
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:21,160
one in 1992 on I can't place it I've

1586
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:23,410
heard so many cases of multiple

1587
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:26,680
abductions that it's sort of like a blur

1588
01:13:31,710 --> 01:13:29,680
to me but there are many many cases of

1589
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:31,720
multiple abductions there are cases

1590
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:34,960
where individuals have met in public on

1591
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:36,910
the earth and realized that they

1592
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:39,850
recognized each other because they were

1593
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:42,790
each part of a multiple abduction and

1594
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:45,340
they had met on the craft for the first

1595
01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:48,670
time what I wanted to dovetail into was

1596
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:50,740
the case of Denise donor and Jenny

1597
01:13:58,020 --> 01:13:53,230
Henderson both found themselves on the

1598
01:14:01,230 --> 01:13:58,030
same craft hadn't even met I had been

1599
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:01,240
investigating each case Denise

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01:14:08,150 --> 01:14:04,870
described in detail this woman that she

1601
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:08,160
saw on this huge what was apparently a

1602
01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:11,710
triangular craft or maybe a carpenter's

1603
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:14,680
square kind of craft based upon the

1604
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,500
shape of it there were catwalks going up

1605
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:19,840
on each side there seemed to be a

1606
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:21,790
structure in the center that seemed to

1607
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:24,190
be now an elevated war of something like

1608
01:14:27,299 --> 01:14:26,500
that at the point at the front of this

1609
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:27,309
craft

1610
01:14:34,290 --> 01:14:29,860
and there appeared to be balconies that

1611
01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:34,300
would slide out on each side of that

1612
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:38,230
craft where humans were taken out in

1613
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:42,159
order to do experiments of some sort or

1614
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,489
another Denise found herself out there

1615
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:48,159
and was told that she needed to drop

1616
01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:51,130
something from the craft there have also

1617
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:53,020
been other people who have been taken

1618
01:15:00,060 --> 01:14:56,980
out there to be shown that they will not

1619
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,070
fall over the side of the craft because

1620
01:15:05,129 --> 01:15:02,800
the railing seems to be fairly low I

1621
01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:05,139
don't know how they can drop something

1622
01:15:11,609 --> 01:15:08,590
that will go down and supposedly

1623
01:15:13,529 --> 01:15:11,619
disappear on the way down if there's

1624
01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:13,539
something on the craft that's holding

1625
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:15,969
the human in place some kind of force

1626
01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:18,750
field but I hear a few little

1627
01:15:23,069 --> 01:15:20,710
discrepancies it's not that I just

1628
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:23,079
believe it it's that perhaps something

1629
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:25,210
is going on there in terms of ET

1630
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:27,670
technology that I don't understand

1631
01:15:34,379 --> 01:15:31,360
Denise actually described a man who was

1632
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:34,389
out there on that balcony with her she

1633
01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:38,650
knew this man she went to him at a later

1634
01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:41,860
date and said to him do you have this

1635
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:44,500
jogging suit and she described it in

1636
01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:46,690
detail including the shoes he was

1637
01:15:50,819 --> 01:15:49,030
wearing and he said yes where did you

1638
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:50,829
see me in that and of course she didn't

1639
01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:53,050
tell him she just kind of shook her head

1640
01:15:59,760 --> 01:15:56,590
knowingly he does not believe that UFOs

1641
01:16:02,370 --> 01:15:59,770
and alien abductions are real by the way

1642
01:16:06,029 --> 01:16:02,380
I thought that was rather hilarious but

1643
01:16:09,689 --> 01:16:06,039
she also spoke about human insurrection

1644
01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:09,699
that was taking place on that craft the

1645
01:16:15,629 --> 01:16:13,000
gray ETS had lost control of this large

1646
01:16:18,209 --> 01:16:15,639
group of humans let's go into more of

1647
01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:18,219
that in our next segment the human

1648
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:20,980
insurrection oh that's like the TV show

1649
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:23,440
falling skies a little bit where we

1650
01:16:28,379 --> 01:16:25,900
fight back against an alien invasion

1651
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:28,389
that's on watching TNT network or

1652
01:16:30,779 --> 01:16:28,719
something

1653
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:30,789
Kathleen Martin with Tina and Chris

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not just an alternative to the

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mainstream media we're the premier

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independent talk radio network we are G

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C n first came attack of the rock codes

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and it was a critically acclaimed

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success and now there is the coming of

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the protectors a former military

1661
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at rockets calm that's rockets

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you ever sent a contractor a document

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times have you been in those unique

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situations where you just wanted to call

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an attorney to find out if you're right

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or wrong or what your legal rights are

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case there's a man named dr. Joel

1735
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Wallach who is anything but your typical

1736
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doctor both a veterinarian and

1737
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naturopathic physician doc asks why does

1738
01:20:01,009 --> 01:19:58,409
the United States spend more money on

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01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,019
health care by far and still ranked 50th

1740
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and health and longevity worldwide he

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believes that people should empower

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themselves with a basic understanding of

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nutrition take charge of their health

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drugs doc Wallace message is resonating

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with an increasing number of Americans

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who are waking up to all the big

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government big farmer and big insurance

1752
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manipulation of our healthcare system

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1754
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Wallach is saying and doing to enlighten

1755
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people about health care visit bright

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01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,499
side been calm and listen to dr. Wallach

1757
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:39,840
steadly recipes lecture it makes a lot

1758
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:41,610
of sense and I urge you to join the

1759
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:44,070
bright side Ben team go to bright side

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[Music]

1761
01:20:59,150 --> 01:20:57,180
hi this is Bryce a blonde the producer

1762
01:21:01,070 --> 01:20:59,160
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

1763
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:01,080
disclosure and you are listening to the

1764
01:21:05,620 --> 01:21:03,230
para cast the gold standard of

1765
01:21:11,129 --> 01:21:05,630
paranormal radio

1766
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,139
[Music]

1767
01:21:16,750 --> 01:21:13,840
so in this particular abduction case

1768
01:21:19,810 --> 01:21:16,760
Cathleen Martin is talking about humans

1769
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:19,820
aboard a spacecraft staging some kind of

1770
01:21:25,870 --> 01:21:22,880
revolt or insurrection against the gray

1771
01:21:29,169 --> 01:21:25,880
ETS tell us more yes and and what

1772
01:21:31,299 --> 01:21:29,179
happened was Denise looked over toward

1773
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:31,309
Jenny Henderson who was on the other

1774
01:21:37,390 --> 01:21:34,369
side of the craft and Jenny's story is

1775
01:21:40,660 --> 01:21:37,400
also told in the alien abduction files

1776
01:21:43,959 --> 01:21:40,670
by myself and Denise stoner she saw

1777
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:43,969
Jenny attempting to flee and Jenny was

1778
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:47,329
holding the hand of another woman and

1779
01:21:54,419 --> 01:21:50,570
they were running to attempt to hide

1780
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:54,429
from these greys there were also grays

1781
01:22:00,580 --> 01:21:57,530
streaming down large numbers of greys

1782
01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:00,590
streaming down this corridor this

1783
01:22:06,969 --> 01:22:03,590
catwalk in the direction of the humans

1784
01:22:09,609 --> 01:22:06,979
and finally took control of them but it

1785
01:22:12,850 --> 01:22:09,619
was a very upsetting for all of those

1786
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,860
who were involved it seems that the

1787
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:14,719
project that was to take place that

1788
01:22:21,489 --> 01:22:19,369
night ended abruptly and the humans were

1789
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:21,499
returned at that point it did not

1790
01:22:25,870 --> 01:22:24,800
continue is there a particular profile

1791
01:22:28,299 --> 01:22:25,880
and I kind of mentioned this briefly

1792
01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:28,309
before as to the kinds of individuals

1793
01:22:32,919 --> 01:22:31,400
who tend to be abducted I was asking

1794
01:22:35,969 --> 01:22:32,929
that in relation to a question about

1795
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:35,979
whether it happens among all racial

1796
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:40,610
categories around the world it does

1797
01:22:46,779 --> 01:22:44,360
appear to happen across racial

1798
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:46,789
categories religious lines economic

1799
01:22:54,209 --> 01:22:51,409
lines all around the world yes Darrell

1800
01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:54,219
Sims has come up with a interesting

1801
01:23:01,359 --> 01:22:58,280
theory that people of Cherokee and Irish

1802
01:23:04,509 --> 01:23:01,369
ancestry tend to have a higher incidence

1803
01:23:07,870 --> 01:23:04,519
of abduction experiences and there's a

1804
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:07,880
project that's headed by dr. Tyler Koch

1805
01:23:14,109 --> 01:23:10,639
John where they did a fairly extensive

1806
01:23:18,009 --> 01:23:14,119
survey and they also found that there is

1807
01:23:20,919 --> 01:23:18,019
an apparently a irish cherokee racial

1808
01:23:22,509 --> 01:23:20,929
type that that seems to be

1809
01:23:25,179 --> 01:23:22,519
or susceptible to these types of

1810
01:23:28,060 --> 01:23:25,189
experiences have you investigated any of

1811
01:23:30,910 --> 01:23:28,070
this or are you aware of it I'm aware of

1812
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:30,920
it I have not actually done a

1813
01:23:37,149 --> 01:23:35,209
statistical study on it of my own yes I

1814
01:23:39,310 --> 01:23:37,159
know Darrell well I've talked to him

1815
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:39,320
many many times over the years I see him

1816
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:42,650
at least once a year and very very

1817
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:46,400
interesting that there is the Irish and

1818
01:24:04,060 --> 01:23:59,319
my great-grandmother was a Cherokee and

1819
01:24:05,529 --> 01:24:04,070
I'm a German Irish on my mother's side

1820
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:05,539
uh-huh

1821
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:08,239
you know so you know there's something

1822
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:10,570
else that you have in common with other

1823
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:14,570
experiencers he has recently stated

1824
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:16,610
Darryl has recently stated that he's

1825
01:24:23,770 --> 01:24:20,260
traced the genome back to Turkey

1826
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:23,780
originally so he has a little more

1827
01:24:30,459 --> 01:24:28,249
information on that now I've also this

1828
01:24:34,209 --> 01:24:30,469
is a large part of the Native American

1829
01:24:38,879 --> 01:24:34,219
culture it seems to you know cross all

1830
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:38,889
tribes and nations and Native America

1831
01:24:49,810 --> 01:24:45,760
also I have had many many reports from

1832
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:49,820
people of color and many individuals

1833
01:24:55,779 --> 01:24:52,130
whose parents served in the military

1834
01:24:57,969 --> 01:24:55,789
they were were kids growing up maybe in

1835
01:24:59,979 --> 01:24:57,979
another part of the world even yeah but

1836
01:25:02,049 --> 01:24:59,989
they felt that they were taken from the

1837
01:25:04,839 --> 01:25:02,059
time that they were children I've also

1838
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:04,849
seen that too that these these do tend

1839
01:25:08,169 --> 01:25:05,449
to cluster

1840
01:25:09,699 --> 01:25:08,179
I think statistically among military

1841
01:25:13,839 --> 01:25:09,709
families which is a little disconcerting

1842
01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:13,849
in one sense and possibly reassuring in

1843
01:25:20,169 --> 01:25:17,539
another way well I think it would be

1844
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:20,179
very interesting to do a study to find

1845
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,130
out if the type of et contact among

1846
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:27,679
those children of military families is

1847
01:25:34,089 --> 01:25:31,550
different than the et contact among non

1848
01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:34,099
military families it sounds like we're

1849
01:25:38,799 --> 01:25:36,280
kind of adding some questions onto your

1850
01:25:41,529 --> 01:25:38,809
your questionnaire for people that

1851
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:41,539
contact you you know I think so and and

1852
01:25:46,209 --> 01:25:43,570
I'm in the process of writing a new one

1853
01:25:48,580 --> 01:25:46,219
along with my team at the mutual UFO

1854
01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:48,590
network that is going to be posted

1855
01:25:53,979 --> 01:25:51,590
online probably by this fall that's

1856
01:25:56,529 --> 01:25:53,989
something that might be worth adding

1857
01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:56,539
let's get you a little help here we have

1858
01:26:03,790 --> 01:26:00,610
a mazing Lee up to speed form group

1859
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,800
participants from all walks of life and

1860
01:26:06,939 --> 01:26:05,840
some I mean some people that are way

1861
01:26:09,939 --> 01:26:06,949
smarter than we are

1862
01:26:11,919 --> 01:26:09,949
and let's put it out there listeners if

1863
01:26:15,009 --> 01:26:11,929
you have some ideas of the kinds of

1864
01:26:16,839 --> 01:26:15,019
questions that may be overlooked or if

1865
01:26:19,089 --> 01:26:16,849
you have an idea of a question that that

1866
01:26:22,569 --> 01:26:19,099
should be included or should be put in

1867
01:26:24,669 --> 01:26:22,579
under consideration for a survey or some

1868
01:26:27,939 --> 01:26:24,679
sort of questionnaire for Kathleen and

1869
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:27,949
her team please feel free to contact the

1870
01:26:33,459 --> 01:26:30,489
forum and on the thread that's gonna

1871
01:26:35,109 --> 01:26:33,469
invariably be produced by this show we'd

1872
01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:35,119
like to see a list of your questions

1873
01:26:39,549 --> 01:26:37,909
which we will more than be more than

1874
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:39,559
happy to pass along to Kathleen and

1875
01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:41,570
their team because I think team efforts

1876
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,550
many minds are better than one I always

1877
01:26:48,549 --> 01:26:45,920
say and if we operate together as a team

1878
01:26:49,899 --> 01:26:48,559
I think you know you never can tell when

1879
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someone can come up with just a

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brilliant insight that may be that one

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little question that may help crack this

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thing wide open so I'll put it out there

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to our listeners and our forum

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participants

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let's get you thinking caps on and let's

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help out Kathleen and their team great

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01:27:08,620 --> 01:27:07,159
idea I love teamwork and right now we

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have about a hundred and twenty

1889
01:27:14,290 --> 01:27:12,440
questions but I will entertain any

1890
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questions that you might come up with

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that have not already been asked on the

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questionnaire Eric the red is one of our

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posters at forum dr. Peres cast calm and

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boy when he heard that you were gonna be

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on the show he just he started just

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wailing on questions he's got probably

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20 here I'll just kind of go through a

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01:27:34,450 --> 01:27:32,809
few of them how do you ensure that when

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you're interviewing an abductee that

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they haven't talked themselves into a

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01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:38,780
false narrative based on possibly he

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01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:40,130
gives the example of a sleep paralysis

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01:27:45,970 --> 01:27:43,130
type episode is there a way that you can

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01:27:47,340 --> 01:27:45,980
quickly discern whether somebody is

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01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:47,350
maybe dealing with some

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01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:49,720
sort of internal psychological process

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01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:52,810
versus something that is a bonafide

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01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,090
abduction experience how do you

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01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:57,040
differentiate between how do you weed

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01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,920
out the the people that that haven't

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convinced themselves that they have an

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experience but possibly there they could

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convince themselves erroneously well I

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can't say that this is something that I

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discerned within a few minutes it's a

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process that takes time and I'm very

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luckily lucky to have a team of

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01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:17,710
professionals who work with me one of

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the retired clinical psychologists who

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Michael Austin Melton who is very very

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valuable on the team we also have a

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01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:31,210
retired medical doctor on our team and

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01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,690
we have other experiences too so

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01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:38,080
sometimes this is a team effort and

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something that I do and with individuals

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01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:45,460
is I train them on how to collect their

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01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:48,730
own evidence because really when it

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01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:51,580
comes right down to it this is a pretty

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01:28:56,700 --> 01:28:54,400
subjective experience and they are the

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ones who need to determine whether or

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not this is real and generally everyone

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questions this in the beginning you want

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to most people want to be able to

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explain it away they want to to say no

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01:29:14,610 --> 01:29:11,740
this was sleep paralysis this was a

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hypnagogic hallucination you know

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there's something wrong with me

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but as they collect evidence as they

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keep a detailed journal of their

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memories as they look for fluorescence

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01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:26,980
on their bodies they look for marks on

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their bodies they photograph them they

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keep a detailed account of exactly what

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they are they will eventually be able to

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determine for themselves whether or not

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01:29:44,850 --> 01:29:42,520
this is real you know I think that's

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really good it's a good idea

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I know WC 11 good for instance came up

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01:29:53,070 --> 01:29:50,830
with an idea that women abductees should

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possibly put on germinated seeds and in

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01:29:57,930 --> 01:29:56,290
hair hair rollers in their hair and once

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they've had an abduction experience go

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ahead and test the you know the the

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seeds

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to see if there was any sort of impact

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on the rate of germination the type of

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health of the plants that that are nor

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01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:10,600
you know sprouts that are that are grown

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01:30:14,970 --> 01:30:13,000
from the seeds some sort of proactive

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approach in this way that's non invasive

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01:30:18,959 --> 01:30:17,530
that doesn't involve cameras and that

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01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:18,969
sort of thing which invariably I know

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that's been tried and for some reason it

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just it never seems to work for some

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reason

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Cathleen Martin is with us with Jean and

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this is the wrong flyer co-author of the

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UFO on Cyclopes and other books you're

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01:35:08,750 --> 01:35:06,570
listening to the parrot cat let me throw

2082
01:35:11,390 --> 01:35:08,760
this out here and one of the criticisms

2083
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:11,400
often made about abductions kathleen

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01:35:15,650 --> 01:35:13,530
Mardin is that they seem to happen in

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01:35:20,540 --> 01:35:15,660
isolation or with one or two people but

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01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:20,550
there's no way for anyone to assemble a

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bunch of scientists to watch over say

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someone having frequent abductions and

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01:35:30,110 --> 01:35:28,620
see what happens it kinda goes back also

2090
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to the argument with regard to the

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famous Brooklyn Bridge abduction that

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:34,980
but Hopkins investigated that occurred

2093
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:37,650
what 1989 or something like that where

2094
01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:41,250
you have someone abducted by UFO near

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01:35:45,380 --> 01:35:43,140
the Brooklyn Bridge in one of the most

2096
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,390
traveled spots of the world so the

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question I guess one would ask here is

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if scientists were monitoring the

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bedroom of somebody who was often

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01:35:56,810 --> 01:35:54,990
abducted would it not occur would they

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01:35:59,060 --> 01:35:56,820
see something or would it happened and

2102
01:36:02,780 --> 01:35:59,070
they'd see nothing well let me say first

2103
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:02,790
that it's not true that no one saw the

2104
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:05,760
abduction of Linda Cortile yeah there

2105
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:07,770
are happen some people I'm referring to

2106
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:10,650
like a mass amount of people in a widely

2107
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:13,050
traveled area a mass amount of people a

2108
01:36:17,900 --> 01:36:15,530
lot of people don't look up first of all

2109
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:17,910
people are always writing to me and

2110
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:19,890
saying you know I there was a UFO

2111
01:36:24,230 --> 01:36:22,410
overhead I was trying to put it point it

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01:36:30,170 --> 01:36:24,240
out to people and no one even wanted to

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01:36:33,050 --> 01:36:30,180
look what causes that I don't know many

2114
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:33,060
people have told me that they these are

2115
01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:35,280
experiences they've had a close

2116
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:38,940
encounter with a UFO some people in the

2117
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:41,760
group saw it whereas others could not

2118
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:42,930
even see it

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01:36:49,070 --> 01:36:46,800
how do you explain that I don't know the

2120
01:36:51,980 --> 01:36:49,080
answer to everything there are so many

2121
01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:51,990
perplexing things about this phenomenon

2122
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:55,190
that we just don't have answers for

2123
01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:58,410
you're raising something here which is a

2124
01:37:02,810 --> 01:37:00,840
bigger question here if this is a normal

2125
01:37:03,709 --> 01:37:02,820
physical encounter in other words a

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01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:03,719
space

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01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:06,210
Lan's they do whatever they have to do

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01:37:11,450 --> 01:37:09,030
to pick up their quarry or their victim

2129
01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:11,460
and take them on board you would think

2130
01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:13,860
that anybody in the vicinity would see

2131
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:16,380
it if they don't is there some sort of

2132
01:37:21,799 --> 01:37:18,690
mind control or is there something about

2133
01:37:26,060 --> 01:37:21,809
it that only those who are experiencing

2134
01:37:29,930 --> 01:37:26,070
it see it well very good questions and I

2135
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:29,940
would suspect that it's not only those

2136
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:34,409
that maybe have a certain and I'm I'm

2137
01:37:39,169 --> 01:37:36,030
going to use a word where everybody's

2138
01:37:42,649 --> 01:37:39,179
going to say that Kathy is out in rural

2139
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:42,659
land but vibrational frequency is the

2140
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:49,289
word that I use because some people seem

2141
01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:52,530
to be able to I don't know if they're

2142
01:37:58,600 --> 01:37:54,780
resonating at a certain frequency or

2143
01:38:02,330 --> 01:37:58,610
what but they appear to be able to

2144
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:02,340
discern physical things that other

2145
01:38:07,879 --> 01:38:05,760
people cannot and you know there's been

2146
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:07,889
the question about whether or not this

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01:38:15,919 --> 01:38:11,159
has something to do with people who are

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01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:15,929
right brained of a more able to see

2149
01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:17,610
these kinds of things are they more

2150
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:20,460
likely to have this type of experience

2151
01:38:28,129 --> 01:38:23,699
than a left brain person which would be

2152
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:28,139
another really good area of research to

2153
01:38:34,219 --> 01:38:30,780
find out doesn't that imply that some

2154
01:38:36,799 --> 01:38:34,229
level of this experience is not in what

2155
01:38:40,759 --> 01:38:36,809
we term physical oh absolutely

2156
01:38:43,609 --> 01:38:40,769
I I gave up the on the idea of all of

2157
01:38:48,910 --> 01:38:43,619
this being entirely physical a long time

2158
01:38:53,529 --> 01:38:48,920
ago there there are physics used here

2159
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:53,539
far beyond our current knowledge our

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01:39:00,259 --> 01:38:56,760
understanding of our physical

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01:39:03,859 --> 01:39:00,269
environment I mean how can they pass a

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01:39:06,529 --> 01:39:03,869
human being through a solid surface such

2163
01:39:09,379 --> 01:39:06,539
as a wall it this has to do with

2164
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:09,389
advanced physics and then you have to

2165
01:39:14,270 --> 01:39:12,360
get into the paranormal realm it almost

2166
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:14,280
merges with some of these paranormal

2167
01:39:20,899 --> 01:39:17,610
type experiences but I do they

2168
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:20,909
that is somewhat different - I think

2169
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:24,510
that the ETS are using technology and

2170
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,940
I'm talking about the real ETS I think

2171
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:28,560
that there is a lot more going on here

2172
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:31,110
than just physical beings who are

2173
01:39:37,370 --> 01:39:34,440
capable of invisibility or capable of

2174
01:39:41,570 --> 01:39:37,380
passing through solid surfaces yes there

2175
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:41,580
it becomes very very perplexing as you

2176
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:44,489
get more and more into this topic and

2177
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:47,550
gain more knowledge about it well you

2178
01:39:52,250 --> 01:39:50,100
know we do have obviously a very complex

2179
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:52,260
and I think in many ways a

2180
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,690
thought-provoking phenomenon here

2181
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,639
whatever it's doing and this is another

2182
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,040
question from Eric whatever the evidence

2183
01:40:03,410 --> 01:40:01,199
do you have that the government has any

2184
01:40:06,979 --> 01:40:03,420
interest at all in alien abductions do

2185
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:06,989
we have any sort of smoking gun evidence

2186
01:40:13,790 --> 01:40:10,320
that the government has contacted any

2187
01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:13,800
abductees or has expressed through the

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01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:15,630
grapevine to researchers such as

2189
01:40:21,260 --> 01:40:19,170
yourself or David Jacobs or others that

2190
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:21,270
they have an interest in this at all all

2191
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:25,440
I can tell you is that many experiencers

2192
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,050
have complained to me about what they

2193
01:40:33,939 --> 01:40:30,960
believe is government harassment there

2194
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:33,949
might be black helicopters hovering

2195
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:37,110
right over their roofs after they have

2196
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:40,770
been taken oftentimes their phones are

2197
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:44,610
affected they might be on a conversation

2198
01:40:49,490 --> 01:40:47,010
and it appears that somebody is

2199
01:40:52,490 --> 01:40:49,500
listening in or sometimes another voice

2200
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:52,500
might actually come on computers get

2201
01:40:55,459 --> 01:40:53,010
hacked

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01:40:58,189 --> 01:40:55,469
even though they have the best software

2203
01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:58,199
they can purchase that kinds of things

2204
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:01,489
those are common complaints among

2205
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:05,190
experiencers I have no direct knowledge

2206
01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:09,330
of this government harassment so be more

2207
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:11,369
just circumstantial evidence then and

2208
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,610
and it comes through reports from from

2209
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,800
many many experiences that's all I can

2210
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:19,199
tell you another question from Eric is

2211
01:41:23,540 --> 01:41:21,210
do you notice any increasing interest in

2212
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:23,550
the field of the alien abductions among

2213
01:41:28,729 --> 01:41:26,760
academics and scientists I personally

2214
01:41:30,380 --> 01:41:28,739
have have seen a little bit of movement

2215
01:41:32,630 --> 01:41:30,390
in that direction

2216
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:32,640
not much but how about you well I have

2217
01:41:38,420 --> 01:41:34,650
to tell you I am also on the board of

2218
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:38,430
directors for the Edgar Mitchell dr.

2219
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:40,260
Edgar Mitchell foundation for research

2220
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:44,850
into extraterrestrial encounters and we

2221
01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:48,630
have a board of individuals and of

2222
01:41:56,420 --> 01:41:52,950
scientists phd-level scientists who are

2223
01:41:59,900 --> 01:41:56,430
very interested and attempting to

2224
01:42:04,700 --> 01:41:59,910
discover what is really going on here so

2225
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:04,710
I'm very very pleased that we have these

2226
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:07,560
new developments in terms of mainstream

2227
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,380
scientists and scientists who are funded

2228
01:42:15,650 --> 01:42:12,480
by the federal government you're not

2229
01:42:19,130 --> 01:42:15,660
going to see overt interest in any of

2230
01:42:21,530 --> 01:42:19,140
this I've been told by one that if you

2231
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:21,540
do show overt interest even at your

2232
01:42:27,770 --> 01:42:25,110
workplace that you will be advised to

2233
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:27,780
lose that interest because your funding

2234
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:30,690
will depend upon not being interested in

2235
01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:33,810
this topic that doesn't surprise me in

2236
01:42:36,980 --> 01:42:36,420
the least here's a couple of interesting

2237
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:36,990
questions

2238
01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:38,760
they sort of dovetail together again

2239
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:41,190
from Eric the red where he posted his

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01:42:47,150 --> 01:42:44,730
questions at forum dr. Peric ascom where

2241
01:42:49,070 --> 01:42:47,160
we have a thread that our listeners can

2242
01:42:51,380 --> 01:42:49,080
go ahead and post on the forum questions

2243
01:42:53,690 --> 01:42:51,390
for our guests and Eric wants to know if

2244
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:53,700
you're aware of any prominent person who

2245
01:42:57,980 --> 01:42:55,650
claims to have been abducted but refuses

2246
01:42:59,690 --> 01:42:57,990
to go public about it of course within

2247
01:43:02,420 --> 01:42:59,700
the last couple three years we had Sammy

2248
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:02,430
Hagar for instance the sometime lead

2249
01:43:06,290 --> 01:43:04,530
singer of Van Halen came forward and

2250
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:06,300
claimed that he had had some experiences

2251
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,850
a couple of our pop divas have kind of

2252
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:10,320
hinted around that maybe they had had

2253
01:43:15,650 --> 01:43:13,770
something happen David Bowie has hinted

2254
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:15,660
around at times but never come out and

2255
01:43:20,450 --> 01:43:18,600
said that he was an experiencer do you

2256
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:20,460
know of any prominent people that have

2257
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:23,130
come forward let's say perhaps

2258
01:43:27,170 --> 01:43:25,290
requesting help or some sort of

2259
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:27,180
counseling but but do not want to go

2260
01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:29,850
public with it I have not had a movie

2261
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:33,240
star or a rock star come to me to

2262
01:43:38,660 --> 01:43:36,780
confide in me about their experience I

2263
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:38,670
don't know about any other researcher

2264
01:43:43,190 --> 01:43:41,850
but this has not happened to me when I

2265
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:43,200
say prominent doesn't have to be

2266
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,070
celebrities

2267
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:45,840
we're talking about people in within

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01:43:51,650 --> 01:43:48,420
industry the military government as I

2269
01:43:55,310 --> 01:43:51,660
said earlier I've had former military

2270
01:43:58,910 --> 01:43:55,320
retired military officer airline pilot

2271
01:44:01,040 --> 01:43:58,920
medical doctors right I've had those men

2272
01:44:02,660 --> 01:44:01,050
I would never ever reveal their

2273
01:44:05,060 --> 01:44:02,670
identities of where they were from

2274
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:05,070
right of course yeah and and rightfully

2275
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:07,530
so I mean that's the death knell for any

2276
01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:09,750
serious investigator is number one not

2277
01:44:15,380 --> 01:44:12,630
to credit your sources in number two not

2278
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:15,390
to you know to somehow violate requests

2279
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:17,250
for anonymity and that unfortunately

2280
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:20,730
goes on all too often in this field he

2281
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:23,130
was a couple of other interesting things

2282
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:26,010
in this I think kind of dovetails from

2283
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:29,280
from the whole starmap idea during Betty

2284
01:44:33,070 --> 01:44:31,170
and Barney's experience but intelligent

2285
01:44:35,780 --> 01:44:33,080
a this again this is from Eric Karev

2286
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:35,790
intelligent aliens would know that if

2287
01:44:39,860 --> 01:44:37,770
they were to convey some key piece of

2288
01:44:42,620 --> 01:44:39,870
information to abductees like the

2289
01:44:44,420 --> 01:44:42,630
solution to a long-standing mathematical

2290
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,430
or scientific problem that this would

2291
01:44:48,740 --> 01:44:46,560
potentially generate much more interest

2292
01:44:50,690 --> 01:44:48,750
or serious interest in the topic of UFOs

2293
01:44:53,540 --> 01:44:50,700
and increase openness to the topic being

2294
01:44:55,730 --> 01:44:53,550
treated seriously he's going on the

2295
01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:55,740
assumption that this has never happened

2296
01:44:59,540 --> 01:44:57,390
is this correct

2297
01:45:01,310 --> 01:44:59,550
we have Stan Romanek of course claiming

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01:45:03,050 --> 01:45:01,320
that he was given a a mathematical

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01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:03,060
formula that actually had an error in it

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as it turns out and and we have the mega

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slightly controversial detail of Betty's

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01:45:13,150 --> 01:45:11,670
experience where she was when she asked

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where are you from she was shown a

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particular point on a what looked like a

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star map with gene and Chris and

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so Chris is framing a very complicated

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question there that ends up of course

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with the famous star map you know Eric

2366
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:10,219
wants to know if any object he has been

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01:48:15,070 --> 01:48:12,250
given a solution to a long-standing

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mathematical or scientific problem that

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could possibly create the atmosphere

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that UFOs would be treated seriously and

2371
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,219
he's going on the assumption that this

2372
01:48:26,890 --> 01:48:24,080
has never happened he's wondering if

2373
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he's wrong basically yes he is wrong

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oh good this is this is going to be cool

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by you that he is incorrect that there

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is a team of scientists who have been

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01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:39,679
working with individuals who claim to

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01:48:48,930 --> 01:48:45,310
have received the physics downloads from

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01:48:52,450 --> 01:48:48,940
experiencers and some of these

2380
01:48:55,540 --> 01:48:52,460
apparently are are real and some of them

2381
01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:55,550
are not real this was being sorted out

2382
01:49:02,290 --> 01:48:58,150
and this is being looked at by

2383
01:49:04,419 --> 01:49:02,300
scientists as we speak I can't wait to

2384
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:04,429
hear the results of that that's oh boy

2385
01:49:09,490 --> 01:49:07,250
that's a real cliffhanger there okay

2386
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:09,500
he's wondering if there's an example of

2387
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:12,230
physical evidence from an abduction that

2388
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:14,810
has been collected that might cause an

2389
01:49:21,370 --> 01:49:17,690
open-minded skeptic to reconsider his

2390
01:49:23,500 --> 01:49:21,380
skepticism around this whole subject I

2391
01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:23,510
can think of one or two things but how

2392
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:25,790
about you Kathleen do we have any sort

2393
01:49:31,780 --> 01:49:28,610
of physical evidence that is is going to

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01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:31,790
make like say a doctor or you know some

2395
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,590
sort of scientific type to scratch our

2396
01:49:37,540 --> 01:49:36,080
heads and go my goodness I have to tell

2397
01:49:40,990 --> 01:49:37,550
you that I think it is the preponderance

2398
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:41,000
of evidence and not just one piece of

2399
01:49:48,250 --> 01:49:44,449
evidence in a particular case and I have

2400
01:49:50,979 --> 01:49:48,260
had open-minded skeptics who have read

2401
01:49:53,229 --> 01:49:50,989
my book with Stanton Friedman captured

2402
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:53,239
the Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience

2403
01:49:59,740 --> 01:49:57,050
or have come to my lectures on that case

2404
01:50:01,959 --> 01:49:59,750
where I show a lot more evidence so that

2405
01:50:05,470 --> 01:50:01,969
people can look at it and quote that

2406
01:50:08,979 --> 01:50:05,480
wouldn't even fit into the book and they

2407
01:50:10,180 --> 01:50:08,989
have come out saying that they are

2408
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:10,190
convinced

2409
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:13,280
that this was a real case because of the

2410
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:15,290
preponderance of evidence there was so

2411
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,250
much here

2412
01:50:21,550 --> 01:50:19,360
it just wasn't it wasn't just the

2413
01:50:24,670 --> 01:50:21,560
magnetic field around the trunk

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01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:24,680
it was the tears the forensic evidence

2415
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,210
on Betty's dress

2416
01:50:31,959 --> 01:50:29,360
it was the laboratory analysis of the

2417
01:50:34,180 --> 01:50:31,969
pink powder on the dress and not just at

2418
01:50:39,010 --> 01:50:34,190
one laboratory but now it's been through

2419
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:39,020
seven different laboratories and you

2420
01:50:42,820 --> 01:50:40,610
know we had the circumstantial evidence

2421
01:50:45,959 --> 01:50:42,830
of the deep scrapes on the toes of

2422
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:45,969
Barney's shoes how how did that happen

2423
01:50:56,110 --> 01:50:50,170
driving in a car and stepping out to

2424
01:50:59,520 --> 01:50:56,120
look at this UFO there was a study of

2425
01:51:04,209 --> 01:50:59,530
alien symbols that was done by dr. don

2426
01:51:07,630 --> 01:51:04,219
don Derry from McGill University he was

2427
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,640
a psychologist there and dr. Stuart

2428
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:09,440
Appel from the State University of New

2429
01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:14,210
York at Brockport and Budd Hopkins some

2430
01:51:21,340 --> 01:51:17,620
of Budd Hopkins experiencers who had

2431
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:21,350
observed symbols on the craft were asked

2432
01:51:26,260 --> 01:51:23,890
to sketch the symbols that they saw

2433
01:51:29,650 --> 01:51:26,270
there were two groups of graduate

2434
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:29,660
students who worked as controls on this

2435
01:51:36,189 --> 01:51:32,570
one was an experimental graduate student

2436
01:51:38,020 --> 01:51:36,199
group who was hypnotized and told that

2437
01:51:40,300 --> 01:51:38,030
they were should imagine they were on a

2438
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:40,310
craft and saw symbols and that they

2439
01:51:45,130 --> 01:51:42,710
should sketch these symbols they did

2440
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:45,140
that then there was another group of

2441
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:47,570
graduate students who was told just to

2442
01:51:51,610 --> 01:51:49,910
sketch what they thought alien symbols

2443
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:51,620
might look like

2444
01:51:58,810 --> 01:51:55,250
they then photocopied all of the symbols

2445
01:52:01,060 --> 01:51:58,820
onto the same type of paper and mixed

2446
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:01,070
everything up so that the graduate

2447
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:06,290
students who did an analysis of this all

2448
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:11,570
of these symbols would not know where

2449
01:52:19,169 --> 01:52:14,390
the symbols came from which group in the

2450
01:52:22,650 --> 01:52:19,179
end the symbols drawn by Hopkins

2451
01:52:23,860 --> 01:52:22,660
experiencers were very very similar

2452
01:52:26,500 --> 01:52:23,870
though

2453
01:52:29,410 --> 01:52:26,510
that were drawn by the two groups of

2454
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:29,420
graduate students were very different

2455
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:32,530
than those drawn by Budd Hopkins

2456
01:52:40,630 --> 01:52:36,050
experience it's very interesting to me

2457
01:52:45,730 --> 01:52:40,640
that dr. Don der II saw these symbols in

2458
01:52:49,210 --> 01:52:45,740
my book captured in 2007 and his study

2459
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:49,220
was done in 2004 I had asked Betty to

2460
01:52:56,620 --> 01:52:53,360
draw symbols back in the year 2000 based

2461
01:52:59,470 --> 01:52:56,630
upon her memory of what she saw on the

2462
01:53:02,710 --> 01:52:59,480
craft she did that I kept it in a locked

2463
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:02,720
file and no one saw it until it was

2464
01:53:09,460 --> 01:53:06,080
published in captured dr. Don der II

2465
01:53:11,950 --> 01:53:09,470
took those symbols that Betty had drawn

2466
01:53:15,340 --> 01:53:11,960
and compared them to Budds group of

2467
01:53:19,300 --> 01:53:15,350
experiencers symbols and discovered that

2468
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:19,310
they had many many similarities what the

2469
01:53:27,340 --> 01:53:23,330
scientific team included was that the

2470
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:27,350
similarity in these symbols suggested

2471
01:53:35,950 --> 01:53:32,030
that alien abduction was real that's a

2472
01:53:39,340 --> 01:53:35,960
really ingenious idea what a great study

2473
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:39,350
or experiment I love that yeah that's

2474
01:53:44,740 --> 01:53:42,290
that's that's that's boy I'll tell you

2475
01:53:47,260 --> 01:53:44,750
I'm impressed you know it's great to get

2476
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:47,270
academics involved and in the scientific

2477
01:53:51,610 --> 01:53:49,610
community because they do you know I

2478
01:53:56,530 --> 01:53:51,620
mean they've been trained to to come up

2479
01:53:58,210 --> 01:53:56,540
with ways to to you know identify the

2480
01:53:59,470 --> 01:53:58,220
signal within the noise so to speak

2481
01:54:02,080 --> 01:53:59,480
which is our motto here at the para

2482
01:54:04,090 --> 01:54:02,090
caste we attempt to separate this signal

2483
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:04,100
from the noise and and that's an

2484
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:06,770
excellent example of how to do that and

2485
01:54:10,630 --> 01:54:08,930
we need more involvement I think from

2486
01:54:12,940 --> 01:54:10,640
the scientific community and academics

2487
01:54:15,130 --> 01:54:12,950
and it's these kinds of results

2488
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:15,140
I think Kathleen that are going to get

2489
01:54:20,610 --> 01:54:18,110
us that kind of attention and and you

2490
01:54:27,820 --> 01:54:20,620
know hats off to to those involved here

2491
01:54:31,450 --> 01:54:27,830
um here's an interesting case or

2492
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:31,460
question rather have you run into any

2493
01:54:37,150 --> 01:54:35,480
sort of problems any sort of

2494
01:54:42,100 --> 01:54:37,160
interference

2495
01:54:43,450 --> 01:54:42,110
any sort of you know I don't know how to

2496
01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:43,460
put this properly I guess I should

2497
01:54:51,730 --> 01:54:47,710
probably read Eric's question verbatim

2498
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:51,740
have you had any harassment or

2499
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:55,370
interference possibly about your work by

2500
01:54:57,970 --> 01:54:57,290
parties that presumably do not like what

2501
01:55:00,130 --> 01:54:57,980
you're doing

2502
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:00,140
other than the skeptical community is

2503
01:55:03,820 --> 01:55:02,090
are you getting a little too close to

2504
01:55:05,950 --> 01:55:03,830
something do you think and and do you

2505
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,960
have any indication that there's anyone

2506
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:07,760
out there that might be squirming a

2507
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:10,970
little bit let's put it that way well I

2508
01:55:17,650 --> 01:55:14,480
can tell you that I had not had a

2509
01:55:21,940 --> 01:55:17,660
problem until Denise toner and I wrote

2510
01:55:25,150 --> 01:55:21,950
the alien abduction files no let me take

2511
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:25,160
that back I did have one problem over

2512
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:27,650
captured and that's when I was doing a

2513
01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:31,610
pre-recorded radio show and I was asked

2514
01:55:35,590 --> 01:55:33,470
a question and I'm not going to repeat

2515
01:55:38,170 --> 01:55:35,600
that question but I was asked a question

2516
01:55:41,290 --> 01:55:38,180
and every time I attempted to answer

2517
01:55:44,710 --> 01:55:41,300
that question the the connection was

2518
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:44,720
lost we tried this about ten times and

2519
01:55:51,790 --> 01:55:49,130
the connection was lost the host decided

2520
01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:51,800
to finally just give up and move on no

2521
01:55:57,070 --> 01:55:54,100
problems after that was it a coincidence

2522
01:55:59,860 --> 01:55:57,080
it seemed like more than a coincidence I

2523
01:56:05,290 --> 01:55:59,870
also ran into a problem with the alien

2524
01:56:07,780 --> 01:56:05,300
abduction file where one time or many

2525
01:56:10,090 --> 01:56:07,790
times Denise and I were losing these

2526
01:56:11,950 --> 01:56:10,100
connections and you know you know and

2527
01:56:14,710 --> 01:56:11,960
you want to know is this a quest is this

2528
01:56:17,290 --> 01:56:14,720
a coincidence am I being paranoid we

2529
01:56:20,650 --> 01:56:17,300
started documenting when this would

2530
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:20,660
occur and we finally got to the point

2531
01:56:27,460 --> 01:56:25,850
where we had one major event and I tend

2532
01:56:29,620 --> 01:56:27,470
to have a pretty good sense of humor I

2533
01:56:32,050 --> 01:56:29,630
went over to the phone and and picked it

2534
01:56:36,220 --> 01:56:32,060
up we had been on skype on the computer

2535
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:36,230
and I called Denise and and I spoke to

2536
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:39,920
her and and I said I just said to the

2537
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:42,610
third party who's listening in and this

2538
01:56:49,540 --> 01:56:46,130
telephone conversation I want to tell

2539
01:56:50,859 --> 01:56:49,550
you that you are attempting to deny me

2540
01:56:53,739 --> 01:56:50,869
my right

2541
01:56:57,549 --> 01:56:53,749
freedom of speech and you are a criminal

2542
01:57:05,139 --> 01:56:57,559
and immediately both lines went dead

2543
01:57:08,909 --> 01:57:05,149
absolutely no I kind of like when that

2544
01:57:11,649 --> 01:57:08,919
happens but at the same time I hate it

2545
01:57:13,959 --> 01:57:11,659
as you were talking I was thinking of

2546
01:57:16,959 --> 01:57:13,969
the theme song from the movie men in

2547
01:57:19,330 --> 01:57:16,969
black that rap song from Will Smith will

2548
01:57:22,060 --> 01:57:19,340
get into a lot more of this as we

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progress we're talking about UFO

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2641
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:06,230
Kathleen Martin is with us now when you

2642
02:02:10,899 --> 02:02:08,690
talk about strange things happening with

2643
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phone calls and everything Kathleen you

2644
02:02:16,419 --> 02:02:13,550
think about men and black government

2645
02:02:22,030 --> 02:02:16,429
interference are you seeing any of that

2646
02:02:24,430 --> 02:02:22,040
I'm oh gosh yes I have I had it reported

2647
02:02:26,919 --> 02:02:24,440
so many times and I had one experience

2648
02:02:29,500 --> 02:02:26,929
last summer that that caused me to

2649
02:02:35,220 --> 02:02:29,510
question what was actually going on so I

2650
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:35,230
put out a questionnaire to several other

2651
02:02:41,770 --> 02:02:38,320
researchers investigators and

2652
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:41,780
experiencers and discovered that it

2653
02:02:47,229 --> 02:02:43,840
seems to be a pretty common theme that

2654
02:02:50,620 --> 02:02:47,239
you know this nefarious forth whatever

2655
02:02:52,330 --> 02:02:50,630
it is seems to strike occasionally and

2656
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:52,340
you just have to understand that that's

2657
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:54,290
going to happen and and you have to

2658
02:02:58,600 --> 02:02:56,810
build it into your life you have to put

2659
02:03:01,120 --> 02:02:58,610
the safeguards on your computer and you

2660
02:03:03,700 --> 02:03:01,130
have to realize you're going to be

2661
02:03:06,820 --> 02:03:03,710
spending probably a lot of money having

2662
02:03:08,709 --> 02:03:06,830
your computer fixed or replacing your

2663
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:08,719
computer because of the attacks that

2664
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:12,250
occur you just have to budget for it and

2665
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:14,690
continue with what you're doing and and

2666
02:03:20,050 --> 02:03:17,840
not let it bother you too badly I mean

2667
02:03:22,419 --> 02:03:20,060
you can get really worked up about this

2668
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:22,429
you can be intimidated you can you know

2669
02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:24,320
have difficulty sleeping at night you

2670
02:03:27,220 --> 02:03:25,520
can think about not

2671
02:03:29,620 --> 02:03:27,230
your work but if you can become so

2672
02:03:32,410 --> 02:03:29,630
wrapped up in this that it's taking you

2673
02:03:34,540 --> 02:03:32,420
away from your work then it takes a toll

2674
02:03:37,510 --> 02:03:34,550
on you and you just need to put on your

2675
02:03:39,490 --> 02:03:37,520
blinders and surge straight ahead at

2676
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:39,500
what you're doing because there's always

2677
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:42,560
going to be someone who is not happy

2678
02:03:46,720 --> 02:03:43,730
about what you're doing

2679
02:03:49,090 --> 02:03:46,730
now if UFO abductions are so widespread

2680
02:03:52,210 --> 02:03:49,100
as they seem to be as you report getting

2681
02:03:54,820 --> 02:03:52,220
a thousand reports in one year if this

2682
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:54,830
is happening what do our governments

2683
02:03:59,200 --> 02:03:56,810
know about this do they think all these

2684
02:04:01,210 --> 02:03:59,210
people are just crazy or do they have

2685
02:04:03,790 --> 02:04:01,220
some knowledge that something real is

2686
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:03,800
going on well if you go back into the

2687
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:05,890
history of government involvement in

2688
02:04:12,970 --> 02:04:10,730
UFOs and and the 1953 Robertson panel

2689
02:04:16,420 --> 02:04:12,980
and the Durant report from the Robertson

2690
02:04:18,940 --> 02:04:16,430
panel funded by the CIA the decision was

2691
02:04:22,270 --> 02:04:18,950
made that the the public should be

2692
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:22,280
re-educated and that we should believe

2693
02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:26,210
that this is not real that this is not

2694
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:28,070
happening that people who report it

2695
02:04:33,970 --> 02:04:30,800
should have their cases used and

2696
02:04:36,670 --> 02:04:33,980
criticized and and made to look foolish

2697
02:04:38,920 --> 02:04:36,680
to the public to discourage other people

2698
02:04:40,690 --> 02:04:38,930
from reporting these things you know

2699
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:40,700
there's no reason to believe that that

2700
02:04:47,230 --> 02:04:43,970
has stopped it it appears to be going on

2701
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:47,240
today the only change that I see is that

2702
02:04:53,740 --> 02:04:49,610
whenever there is a television program

2703
02:04:55,630 --> 02:04:53,750
about et contact or UFOs now they're not

2704
02:04:58,960 --> 02:04:55,640
hauling out the debunkers like they

2705
02:05:02,190 --> 02:04:58,970
always did before so you know maybe

2706
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:02,200
that's one step forward but then

2707
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:04,730
sometimes I wonder if that step forward

2708
02:05:10,930 --> 02:05:07,400
is really a step forward or if they're

2709
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:10,940
putting in some cases that seem so

2710
02:05:16,870 --> 02:05:13,360
ridiculous they're not believable and so

2711
02:05:18,730 --> 02:05:16,880
the public might think well that seems

2712
02:05:21,580 --> 02:05:18,740
really ridiculous to me all of its

2713
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:21,590
nonsense I don't know but but that's a

2714
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:24,290
thought that I have had but I do think

2715
02:05:29,860 --> 02:05:26,330
that the government knows a lot more

2716
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:29,870
about this and they're telling us they

2717
02:05:34,980 --> 02:05:32,110
have to they have to be concerned about

2718
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:34,990
all of this this is happening to

2719
02:05:41,110 --> 02:05:38,810
American citizens under their watch

2720
02:05:41,890 --> 02:05:41,120
there's really nothing that they can do

2721
02:05:44,380 --> 02:05:41,900
about it

2722
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:44,390
it certainly does make sense that there

2723
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:47,210
would be a cover-up because the general

2724
02:05:53,380 --> 02:05:50,170
public would probably undergo a radical

2725
02:05:55,780 --> 02:05:53,390
behavioral change if they knew this was

2726
02:05:58,120 --> 02:05:55,790
going on it would probably not be good

2727
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,130
they probably would not be able to

2728
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:00,800
accept this particularly the abduction

2729
02:06:06,730 --> 02:06:04,250
part of it I have a question here I

2730
02:06:08,860 --> 02:06:06,740
think most people are under the

2731
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:08,870
impression that the abduction phenomenon

2732
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:12,890
is primarily a North American kind of

2733
02:06:18,220 --> 02:06:16,010
mystery sure you have some very striking

2734
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:18,230
cases that have come from South America

2735
02:06:25,630 --> 02:06:21,470
but you rarely hear about these types of

2736
02:06:28,270 --> 02:06:25,640
cases from Asia from Africa except you

2737
02:06:30,940 --> 02:06:28,280
know some contactee type of cases and

2738
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:30,950
for instance John Mack investigated this

2739
02:06:35,860 --> 02:06:33,110
school kids in South Africa with the

2740
02:06:39,010 --> 02:06:35,870
close encounter case how many good

2741
02:06:41,770 --> 02:06:39,020
quality cases are you aware of that come

2742
02:06:43,690 --> 02:06:41,780
from unlikely places on the planet where

2743
02:06:45,790 --> 02:06:43,700
this is not normally something that you

2744
02:06:50,590 --> 02:06:45,800
hear about no in terms of UFO sightings

2745
02:06:52,930 --> 02:06:50,600
in Indonesia or cases from Australia for

2746
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:52,940
instance I know there's been a few but

2747
02:06:58,720 --> 02:06:56,000
why does it primarily seem based on the

2748
02:07:00,910 --> 02:06:58,730
amount of literature out there that this

2749
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:00,920
this seems to be heavily weighted

2750
02:07:06,250 --> 02:07:04,010
towards North American and possibly a

2751
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:06,260
little less in South America well let me

2752
02:07:11,950 --> 02:07:09,170
say also that UFO reports are heavily

2753
02:07:13,930 --> 02:07:11,960
weighted toward North America and I

2754
02:07:17,230 --> 02:07:13,940
think it's because we have organizations

2755
02:07:20,980 --> 02:07:17,240
like the mutual UFO network that are

2756
02:07:25,450 --> 02:07:20,990
very very active in the United States

2757
02:07:29,050 --> 02:07:25,460
MUFON does have branches in many many

2758
02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:29,060
countries around the world now but we

2759
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:31,780
hear primarily from english-speaking

2760
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:34,570
countries we have a language barrier

2761
02:07:41,170 --> 02:07:38,170
that that is a big problem in

2762
02:07:43,930 --> 02:07:41,180
communication of all of this and I did

2763
02:07:47,530 --> 02:07:43,940
want to add that of those children and

2764
02:07:51,550 --> 02:07:47,540
that john mack investigated in in south

2765
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:51,560
africa there is at least one of those

2766
02:07:55,479 --> 02:07:52,730
children who

2767
02:07:58,210 --> 02:07:55,489
an experiencer and is having contact

2768
02:08:03,270 --> 02:07:58,220
today so you know that's pretty

2769
02:08:07,630 --> 02:08:03,280
interesting I do hear of cases ray

2770
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:07,640
Hernandez who is the person who was

2771
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:12,170
behind the forming the dr. Edgar

2772
02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:13,970
Mitchell foundation for research into

2773
02:08:19,390 --> 02:08:16,489
extraterrestrial encounters

2774
02:08:23,410 --> 02:08:19,400
speaks Spanish she's a Hispanic lawyer

2775
02:08:26,740 --> 02:08:23,420
and he so he's getting a lot of cases

2776
02:08:32,250 --> 02:08:26,750
out of South America he'd be a very good

2777
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:32,260
one to speak to about that I've received

2778
02:08:38,620 --> 02:08:35,840
reports out of Australia from contacts

2779
02:08:42,490 --> 02:08:38,630
that I have there and miri Rodwell who

2780
02:08:45,550 --> 02:08:42,500
is the Australian et contact researcher

2781
02:08:49,330 --> 02:08:45,560
who works with experiencers in Australia

2782
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:49,340
is on the board of directors for the

2783
02:08:54,370 --> 02:08:50,810
foundation for research into

2784
02:08:56,020 --> 02:08:54,380
extraterrestrial encounters as well so I

2785
02:08:58,780 --> 02:08:56,030
think we're going to be hearing more and

2786
02:09:02,260 --> 02:08:58,790
more about this yeah but I think that

2787
02:09:04,810 --> 02:09:02,270
underscores the I think the importance

2788
02:09:08,050 --> 02:09:04,820
of expanding our efforts as

2789
02:09:11,260 --> 02:09:08,060
investigators and researchers to I think

2790
02:09:14,050 --> 02:09:11,270
get more of a global sense of these

2791
02:09:17,620 --> 02:09:14,060
types of encounters and repeated

2792
02:09:19,870 --> 02:09:17,630
encounters and and sort of spread our

2793
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:19,880
tentacles our research tentacles out to

2794
02:09:26,860 --> 02:09:24,110
places like China where the largest UFO

2795
02:09:28,420 --> 02:09:26,870
group in the world is located I think

2796
02:09:30,070 --> 02:09:28,430
they've I remember reading an article

2797
02:09:33,220 --> 02:09:30,080
there's over a million members of a

2798
02:09:36,010 --> 02:09:33,230
particular UFO organization in China for

2799
02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:36,020
instance I think we need to start

2800
02:09:41,580 --> 02:09:38,930
talking amongst ourselves a little

2801
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:41,590
better and that goes for me too

2802
02:09:48,520 --> 02:09:45,530
places like India that have you know an

2803
02:09:51,310 --> 02:09:48,530
ancient ancient tradition of of

2804
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:51,320
encounters with you know for black of a

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02:09:57,070 --> 02:09:55,610
better term exalted beans personages it

2806
02:10:01,810 --> 02:09:57,080
would be very interesting to see how

2807
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:01,820
these types of of cases sort of have a

2808
02:10:08,810 --> 02:10:06,090
cultural slant to them verse

2809
02:10:10,010 --> 02:10:08,820
the cases that you're used to here in in

2810
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North America and english-speaking

2811
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countries will get more into these

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something we've talked about quite

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frequently and the power cast Cathleen

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you want to frame that further before we

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give Kathleen a chance to answer I think

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so III think I'm editor eyes in here a

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02:15:19,900 --> 02:15:16,580
little bit I think it's important for

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the research community to try to make

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inroads with other continents other

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countries especially India and China I

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think these are too I think gold mines

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02:15:33,340 --> 02:15:31,250
where a lot of things are undoubtedly

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02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:33,350
going on and we're just not hearing

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02:15:37,420 --> 02:15:35,690
about them here there's got to be some

2919
02:15:39,070 --> 02:15:37,430
way for us to dovetail our research

2920
02:15:40,330 --> 02:15:39,080
efforts with people I'm sure that are

2921
02:15:42,700 --> 02:15:40,340
interested in those countries that we

2922
02:15:45,010 --> 02:15:42,710
just don't hear about what do you think

2923
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:45,020
Kathleen well I have to tell you that

2924
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:46,730
the foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters website

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which is going to be going up on July

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1st is going to be published in many

2928
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different languages we're attempting to

2929
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get information from people all over the

2930
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:06,770
world and you know in terms of cultural

2931
02:16:12,270 --> 02:16:08,960
influence well certainly there will be

2932
02:16:15,490 --> 02:16:12,280
some cultural influence in the human

2933
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:15,500
interpretation of what is taking place

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02:16:22,690 --> 02:16:18,530
if you speak only of the detailed

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02:16:25,810 --> 02:16:22,700
information the detailed evidence of you

2936
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:25,820
know the so-and-so did such-and-such to

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02:16:33,010 --> 02:16:28,730
this particular joint then you know

2938
02:16:35,740 --> 02:16:33,020
you're going to get a good description

2939
02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:35,750
of what's going on without the cultural

2940
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:38,570
influence but if they say he did it for

2941
02:16:44,290 --> 02:16:42,170
this particular reason and and it's

2942
02:16:46,560 --> 02:16:44,300
human interpretation certainly you'll

2943
02:16:49,870 --> 02:16:46,570
have a cultural influence there as well

2944
02:16:52,780 --> 02:16:49,880
exactly I'm really curious to find out

2945
02:16:54,850 --> 02:16:52,790
what the commonalities are if we see the

2946
02:16:57,549 --> 02:16:54,860
same exact types of procedures being

2947
02:16:59,769 --> 02:16:57,559
described you know just the the

2948
02:17:02,049 --> 02:16:59,779
nuts and bolts this happened and this

2949
02:17:04,359 --> 02:17:02,059
happened and this happened without any

2950
02:17:07,799 --> 02:17:04,369
sort of editorializing by the experience

2951
02:17:10,419 --> 02:17:07,809
or obviously people that have traumatic

2952
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:10,429
sometimes mostly traumatic experiences

2953
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:13,250
happen tend to react to them emotionally

2954
02:17:17,169 --> 02:17:14,960
you're gonna have to kind of dive

2955
02:17:20,830 --> 02:17:17,179
through that emotional interpretation

2956
02:17:22,689 --> 02:17:20,840
down into the actual bare facts like the

2957
02:17:24,580 --> 02:17:22,699
old show jag net you know Jack Webb the

2958
02:17:26,889 --> 02:17:24,590
facts just the facts ma'am you know that

2959
02:17:29,500 --> 02:17:26,899
sort of information and it'd be very

2960
02:17:32,219 --> 02:17:29,510
interesting I'm very intrigued at if

2961
02:17:34,299 --> 02:17:32,229
there's any sort of variance any sort of

2962
02:17:37,209 --> 02:17:34,309
commonalities and then if there are

2963
02:17:41,799 --> 02:17:37,219
variances what they are just the types

2964
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:41,809
of supposed and interpreted alien off

2965
02:17:46,509 --> 02:17:43,519
planet intelligences just the

2966
02:17:49,859 --> 02:17:46,519
descriptions from continent to continent

2967
02:17:50,979 --> 02:17:49,869
there there tends to be an interesting

2968
02:17:53,620 --> 02:17:50,989
difference

2969
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:53,630
I mean aliens are described a lot

2970
02:17:58,330 --> 02:17:56,329
differently down in South America if you

2971
02:18:01,120 --> 02:17:58,340
look at the at the literature from the

2972
02:18:04,030 --> 02:18:01,130
50s and 60s encounters with aliens in

2973
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:04,040
South America really had no in many

2974
02:18:09,099 --> 02:18:06,559
cases no they're just no commonality

2975
02:18:11,319 --> 02:18:09,109
with cases that were reported let's say

2976
02:18:12,519 --> 02:18:11,329
in North America and you'll be

2977
02:18:14,229 --> 02:18:12,529
interesting to see if that dovetails

2978
02:18:17,169 --> 02:18:14,239
over into the entire abduction

2979
02:18:19,929 --> 02:18:17,179
phenomenon and I'm very excited that you

2980
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know this website is going up and I I do

2981
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applaud your efforts you know along with

2982
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Edgar and and you know getting this

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website up and especially the

2984
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multilingual part of this I think it's

2985
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really important for you know the global

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participation of of experiencers here

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and I applaud your efforts and here at

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the para cast we will help you in any

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way we can to get the word out about the

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deserves most of the credit for this

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this is his brainchild this is his idea

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he has been able to gather major

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researchers and academics from around

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the world who are willing to participate

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here dr. Rudy shield is the executive

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director he was John Max neighbor and he

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recently retired he's an astrophysicist

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02:19:16,410 --> 02:19:13,599
he recently retired from the

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harvard-smithsonian astrophysics

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laboratory you have some high-powered

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02:19:24,519 --> 02:19:22,130
people here it's about time 20 years ago

3003
02:19:27,099 --> 02:19:24,529
we probably couldn't have said that you

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02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,109
know in its from the tireless efforts of

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people such as yourself and and and

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02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:31,999
these very courageous scientists and

3007
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:33,609
academics who are coming out and

3008
02:19:39,219 --> 02:19:36,409
publicly stating their involvement I I

3009
02:19:43,379 --> 02:19:39,229
you know this is a major step forward

3010
02:19:46,899 --> 02:19:43,389
and it's about time that this very

3011
02:19:49,300 --> 02:19:46,909
mysterious and puzzling phenomenon is

3012
02:19:50,830 --> 02:19:49,310
taken seriously and looked at I'm still

3013
02:19:53,529 --> 02:19:50,840
on the fence about it you know I'm and

3014
02:19:56,229 --> 02:19:53,539
I'm an an experiencer I don't you know I

3015
02:19:59,290 --> 02:19:56,239
was never hypnotically regressed and you

3016
02:20:02,559 --> 02:19:59,300
know I all my recollections are

3017
02:20:05,229 --> 02:20:02,569
conscious recollections and that brings

3018
02:20:08,380 --> 02:20:05,239
me up to two you know an important point

3019
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:08,390
what percentage of cases feature a

3020
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:11,840
complete episode of conscious

3021
02:20:18,149 --> 02:20:13,970
recollection in terms of a contact

3022
02:20:20,529 --> 02:20:18,159
interaction or contact experience versus

3023
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:20,539
against that something happened and then

3024
02:20:24,250 --> 02:20:21,920
all the information is retrieved

3025
02:20:27,340 --> 02:20:24,260
hypnotically have we been able to come

3026
02:20:30,179 --> 02:20:27,350
up with any sort of kind of a number or

3027
02:20:33,069 --> 02:20:30,189
percentage of fully conscious

3028
02:20:35,099 --> 02:20:33,079
experiences that then you know invoke

3029
02:20:37,779 --> 02:20:35,109
some sort of investigative process or

3030
02:20:40,989 --> 02:20:37,789
someone having like a weird scoop mark

3031
02:20:42,489 --> 02:20:40,999
strange dream and then investigating it

3032
02:20:44,739 --> 02:20:42,499
further and getting help and then having

3033
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:44,749
all the information retrieved sort of

3034
02:20:50,290 --> 02:20:47,359
posthaste is there any sort of

3035
02:20:52,809 --> 02:20:50,300
percentage that we can look to I can I

3036
02:20:56,109 --> 02:20:52,819
don't have a statistic on that but I can

3037
02:20:58,899 --> 02:20:56,119
tell you from my research and the

3038
02:21:02,489 --> 02:20:58,909
individuals that I've talked to the

3039
02:21:06,460 --> 02:21:02,499
majority have at least some memory of

3040
02:21:09,819 --> 02:21:06,470
the experience occurring very tiny

3041
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:09,829
percentage have a lot of memories

3042
02:21:15,219 --> 02:21:12,560
conscious continuous recall it seems of

3043
02:21:19,149 --> 02:21:15,229
what happened aboard that craft but that

3044
02:21:24,639 --> 02:21:19,159
all of that conscious memory is fairly

3045
02:21:25,330 --> 02:21:24,649
rare but some conscious mint memory is

3046
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:25,340
not the

3047
02:21:31,420 --> 02:21:28,489
reader yeah I I approach David Jacobs

3048
02:21:35,229 --> 02:21:31,430
years ago back in the early to mid 90s

3049
02:21:37,929 --> 02:21:35,239
about a case that I was just I had been

3050
02:21:40,719 --> 02:21:37,939
asked by the sheriff of a county to talk

3051
02:21:42,490 --> 02:21:40,729
with a woman who had reported some

3052
02:21:44,139 --> 02:21:42,500
problems with like men in black she said

3053
02:21:46,540 --> 02:21:44,149
the Blues Brothers are stealing my mail

3054
02:21:48,580 --> 02:21:46,550
that's and she was having some real

3055
02:21:51,099 --> 02:21:48,590
problems with with these kind of MIB

3056
02:21:53,590 --> 02:21:51,109
type characters and then it came out as

3057
02:21:55,979 --> 02:21:53,600
she confided to one of the sheriff's

3058
02:21:58,929 --> 02:21:55,989
office personnel that she had an ongoing

3059
02:22:00,519 --> 02:21:58,939
actually when I was she was a

3060
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:00,529
second-generation her daughter was then

3061
02:22:04,599 --> 02:22:02,210
starting to have experiences so that

3062
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:04,609
would make it a multi-generational case

3063
02:22:10,510 --> 02:22:08,090
and I was asked to contact her and get

3064
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,520
involved in and according to her you

3065
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:12,800
know the majority of her memories at

3066
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,050
least in her mind were fully conscious

3067
02:22:20,649 --> 02:22:18,319
and fully recognized it's the same woman

3068
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:20,659
that I mentioned before I had fallen in

3069
02:22:27,819 --> 02:22:25,510
love with her alien lover which you know

3070
02:22:29,319 --> 02:22:27,829
it was kind of weird but she kept a

3071
02:22:31,179 --> 02:22:29,329
journal just just to give you a little

3072
02:22:32,979 --> 02:22:31,189
sense of my investigative process of

3073
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:32,989
course I was a little doubtful about

3074
02:22:36,189 --> 02:22:34,880
this and and she seemed barely normal to

3075
02:22:39,609 --> 02:22:36,199
me it was just a you know a woman that

3076
02:22:41,859 --> 02:22:39,619
had a successful horse ranch and she had

3077
02:22:43,599 --> 02:22:41,869
kept a journal of when these events that

3078
02:22:46,090 --> 02:22:43,609
had occurred and I went back into my

3079
02:22:48,519 --> 02:22:46,100
database and sure enough I mean there

3080
02:22:50,649 --> 02:22:48,529
were some real correlations between

3081
02:22:52,929 --> 02:22:50,659
dates that she said that she had

3082
02:22:54,189 --> 02:22:52,939
experiences and sightings from that part

3083
02:22:56,620 --> 02:22:54,199
of the San Luis Valley where I was

3084
02:22:58,030 --> 02:22:56,630
investigating it so you know I was kind

3085
02:23:03,010 --> 02:22:58,040
of hot on the trail on that one for a

3086
02:23:05,380 --> 02:23:03,020
while but you know you're right I fully

3087
02:23:06,969 --> 02:23:05,390
conscious recollections are pretty rare

3088
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:06,979
and when I mentioned this case the David

3089
02:23:10,780 --> 02:23:08,479
Jacobs he didn't want to talk to me says

3090
02:23:12,370 --> 02:23:10,790
all that don't even waste your time he

3091
02:23:15,010 --> 02:23:12,380
just totally discounted it without even

3092
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,020
you know hearing all the details I said

3093
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:17,359
you know she has you know just many

3094
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:19,130
fully conscious recollections and he

3095
02:23:22,689 --> 02:23:20,479
looked at me like and rolled his eyes

3096
02:23:24,490 --> 02:23:22,699
and just said you know don't waste my

3097
02:23:27,160 --> 02:23:24,500
time with this and he walked away and I

3098
02:23:28,689 --> 02:23:27,170
was like oh man come on at least give me

3099
02:23:30,099 --> 02:23:28,699
you know five minutes to tell you give

3100
02:23:31,569 --> 02:23:30,109
you an overview of the case he wouldn't

3101
02:23:36,010 --> 02:23:31,579
even he wouldn't even sit still for that

3102
02:23:38,190 --> 02:23:36,020
so he told me that before - never never

3103
02:23:42,210 --> 02:23:38,200
take seriously anything

3104
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:42,220
that is consciously recalled but I agree

3105
02:23:45,630 --> 02:23:42,880
with that

3106
02:23:47,820 --> 02:23:45,640
I do too because I have I have data that

3107
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:47,830
corresponds with her sightings or what

3108
02:23:52,290 --> 02:23:50,050
sighting data that corresponds with the

3109
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:52,300
dates of her experiences I do too and

3110
02:23:58,679 --> 02:23:55,330
and you know many of these conscious

3111
02:24:01,260 --> 02:23:58,689
memories dovetail into memories that are

3112
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:01,270
retrieved through hypnosis they'll

3113
02:24:07,340 --> 02:24:04,479
remember part of it and and sometimes a

3114
02:24:10,860 --> 02:24:07,350
large part of it but the hypnosis will

3115
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:10,870
refresh their memories even more this

3116
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:12,490
particular woman had never been

3117
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regressed you know I want to ask more

3118
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about that in our final segment we have

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[Music]

3227
02:28:59,760 --> 02:28:45,790
this is nuclear physicist dr. Stanton

3228
02:29:01,230 --> 02:28:59,770
Friedman you are listening to on the

3229
02:29:03,380 --> 02:29:01,240
power cast with Gene and Kris and

3230
02:29:05,880 --> 02:29:03,390
Kathleen Martin and we're talking about

3231
02:29:07,679 --> 02:29:05,890
the two ways that you recall an

3232
02:29:10,770 --> 02:29:07,689
abduction experience consciously or

3233
02:29:13,950 --> 02:29:10,780
through some sort of hypnotic regression

3234
02:29:15,690 --> 02:29:13,960
but the skeptics will say that it's one

3235
02:29:17,550 --> 02:29:15,700
thing if you recall something happening

3236
02:29:20,850 --> 02:29:17,560
but as soon as you start playing with

3237
02:29:23,190 --> 02:29:20,860
the mind using hypnosis how do you know

3238
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:23,200
that you're not feeding the experience

3239
02:29:27,690 --> 02:29:25,210
the mere fact of someone who

3240
02:29:30,780 --> 02:29:27,700
investigates abductions hypnotizing

3241
02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:30,790
somebody doesn't that already taint the

3242
02:29:36,179 --> 02:29:32,890
memories that come forth well I have to

3243
02:29:38,820 --> 02:29:36,189
tell you that the best cases for me the

3244
02:29:40,380 --> 02:29:38,830
most reliable ones of the cases like

3245
02:29:43,560 --> 02:29:40,390
Betty and Barney Hill where two

3246
02:29:46,980 --> 02:29:43,570
individuals are taken two or more they

3247
02:29:48,900 --> 02:29:46,990
have do not have conscious recall of

3248
02:29:53,790 --> 02:29:48,910
what actually happened on board the

3249
02:29:57,420 --> 02:29:53,800
craft and they are then hypnotized

3250
02:30:00,270 --> 02:29:57,430
separately you impose amnesia at the end

3251
02:30:01,950 --> 02:30:00,280
of each session so that they don't even

3252
02:30:04,500 --> 02:30:01,960
remember what they've said they can't

3253
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:04,510
contaminate each other's information and

3254
02:30:10,740 --> 02:30:07,330
then you do an analysis of their

3255
02:30:12,990 --> 02:30:10,750
statements just as I did in captured the

3256
02:30:15,510 --> 02:30:13,000
Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience to

3257
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:15,520
determine whether or not there could be

3258
02:30:19,081 --> 02:30:18,010
a confabulation here whether or not the

3259
02:30:23,371 --> 02:30:19,091
entire store

3260
02:30:26,701 --> 02:30:23,381
is an invention or exactly what is going

3261
02:30:30,631 --> 02:30:26,711
on because there are problems with the

3262
02:30:34,140 --> 02:30:30,641
use of hypnosis and they might come from

3263
02:30:37,711 --> 02:30:34,150
having hypnotized someone who is a

3264
02:30:39,781 --> 02:30:37,721
wannabe who has read a lot about alien

3265
02:30:42,480 --> 02:30:39,791
abduction who knows a whole lot of

3266
02:30:45,150 --> 02:30:42,490
information about it and they will

3267
02:30:47,491 --> 02:30:45,160
repeat under hypnosis what they have

3268
02:30:51,570 --> 02:30:47,501
read and they will apply it to

3269
02:30:57,110 --> 02:30:51,580
themselves if they are motivated to do

3270
02:31:01,520 --> 02:30:57,120
so and that is why hypnotist who use

3271
02:31:04,801 --> 02:31:01,530
regression will often provide questions

3272
02:31:07,711 --> 02:31:04,811
attempting to a lead a person toward a

3273
02:31:11,251 --> 02:31:07,721
false memory to see if they can do that

3274
02:31:15,781 --> 02:31:11,261
I prefer for forensic hypnosis when I

3275
02:31:18,631 --> 02:31:15,791
use hypnosis with individuals on case

3276
02:31:21,871 --> 02:31:18,641
investigations the reason for that is

3277
02:31:24,961 --> 02:31:21,881
that it is the only type of hypnosis

3278
02:31:27,961 --> 02:31:24,971
that used to be admissible in a court of

3279
02:31:30,390 --> 02:31:27,971
law no longer is there is no hypnosis

3280
02:31:33,001 --> 02:31:30,400
that is admissible because of the

3281
02:31:37,921 --> 02:31:33,011
problems that we faced with people being

3282
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:37,931
led by the hypnotist to a story that is

3283
02:31:43,831 --> 02:31:40,450
false so you have to make sure that

3284
02:31:45,961 --> 02:31:43,841
you're really not leading someone if

3285
02:31:48,060 --> 02:31:45,971
you're doing hypnosis for an

3286
02:31:49,921 --> 02:31:48,070
investigation that's very important

3287
02:31:53,041 --> 02:31:49,931
doesn't really matter if you're doing it

3288
02:31:56,190 --> 02:31:53,051
just for therapy hope you would hope

3289
02:32:00,001 --> 02:31:56,200
that the person would tell an accurate

3290
02:32:01,770 --> 02:32:00,011
story about what happened but in therapy

3291
02:32:04,430 --> 02:32:01,780
you're only attempting to help that

3292
02:32:07,951 --> 02:32:04,440
individual you're not looking for

3293
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:07,961
confirmatory evidence in any way so you

3294
02:32:12,241 --> 02:32:09,610
have to look at the different types of

3295
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:12,251
hypnosis too but yes there are problems

3296
02:32:17,581 --> 02:32:15,070
but those problems can be overcome and

3297
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:17,591
we do know there are studies that have

3298
02:32:24,661 --> 02:32:20,650
been done that have shown how very

3299
02:32:28,261 --> 02:32:24,671
effective hypnosis can be in one case

3300
02:32:31,711 --> 02:32:28,271
there was a stonemason who had built a

3301
02:32:32,671 --> 02:32:31,721
wall and he was hypnotized and taken

3302
02:32:36,121 --> 02:32:32,681
back

3303
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:36,131
and he could remember the shapes of the

3304
02:32:42,631 --> 02:32:39,280
stone that he selected and where they

3305
02:32:45,331 --> 02:32:42,641
were on this wall so the researchers

3306
02:32:48,091 --> 02:32:45,341
could look at this wall to determine

3307
02:32:50,430 --> 02:32:48,101
whether or not the stonemason

3308
02:32:52,110 --> 02:32:50,440
was accurate in his memories and he was

3309
02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:52,120
accurate Chris we have any more

3310
02:32:59,280 --> 02:32:54,670
questions unanswered just a question

3311
02:33:01,440 --> 02:32:59,290
about your conclusions about the dr.

3312
02:33:03,660 --> 02:33:01,450
karla turner affair this again comes

3313
02:33:05,761 --> 02:33:03,670
from Erica read one of our posters at

3314
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:05,771
forum dr. Perry passed calm and he's

3315
02:33:10,530 --> 02:33:08,080
wondering not if you found her and her

3316
02:33:12,541 --> 02:33:10,540
family stories credible and have you

3317
02:33:14,310 --> 02:33:12,551
interviewed her surviving husband or son

3318
02:33:18,810 --> 02:33:14,320
and if so what did you learn

3319
02:33:22,350 --> 02:33:18,820
I have not interviewed her family and I

3320
02:33:27,390 --> 02:33:22,360
know that she had a really negative view

3321
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:27,400
of the experiences that they had and it

3322
02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:30,160
is it is very unfortunate it's also very

3323
02:33:37,440 --> 02:33:34,330
unfortunate that she suddenly was

3324
02:33:41,160 --> 02:33:37,450
affected by this terrible form of cancer

3325
02:33:44,100 --> 02:33:41,170
that took her life very very rapidly the

3326
02:33:47,430 --> 02:33:44,110
number of people have said that they

3327
02:33:51,211 --> 02:33:47,440
believed she was murdered that she had

3328
02:33:54,860 --> 02:33:51,221
been threatened I I don't know I really

3329
02:33:59,640 --> 02:33:54,870
can't comment on that but I think that

3330
02:34:01,560 --> 02:33:59,650
anyone who feels that their I have not

3331
02:34:05,581 --> 02:34:01,570
been able to resolve any issues that

3332
02:34:07,980 --> 02:34:05,591
they have around these experiences that

3333
02:34:12,360 --> 02:34:07,990
they are interpreting as being highly

3334
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:12,370
negative really needs to to get into

3335
02:34:16,680 --> 02:34:14,710
some kind of therapy with a highly

3336
02:34:19,950 --> 02:34:16,690
knowledgeable person who can help them

3337
02:34:23,310 --> 02:34:19,960
or into a support group that's very very

3338
02:34:26,341 --> 02:34:23,320
important for experiencers because most

3339
02:34:29,730 --> 02:34:26,351
people in the end will come to realize

3340
02:34:32,940 --> 02:34:29,740
that it's not as bad as I thought it was

3341
02:34:36,570 --> 02:34:32,950
and many people end up having a positive

3342
02:34:40,980 --> 02:34:36,580
attitude about it in the end okay and be

3343
02:34:43,310 --> 02:34:40,990
sure to select a hypnotherapist that has

3344
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:43,320
no direct involvement in the abduction

3345
02:34:46,961 --> 02:34:44,570
phenomenon

3346
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:46,971
just as you know kind of a double-bond

3347
02:34:54,520 --> 02:34:51,200
type scenario that that would be my

3348
02:34:55,900 --> 02:34:54,530
advice in I'm not sure what do you think

3349
02:34:57,970 --> 02:34:55,910
Kathleen do you think we should go to

3350
02:35:00,791 --> 02:34:57,980
somebody that you know like a Budd

3351
02:35:02,740 --> 02:35:00,801
Hopkins or a David Jacobs or or someone

3352
02:35:04,511 --> 02:35:02,750
that's exactly involved in this whole

3353
02:35:06,791 --> 02:35:04,521
mystery or should they first go to

3354
02:35:09,430 --> 02:35:06,801
somebody that has no direct involvement

3355
02:35:13,961 --> 02:35:09,440
well I I really think that it's

3356
02:35:16,751 --> 02:35:13,971
important to see someone who has an

3357
02:35:21,341 --> 02:35:16,761
understanding and knowledge about this

3358
02:35:23,470 --> 02:35:21,351
topic and what is going on and sometimes

3359
02:35:26,051 --> 02:35:23,480
these experiences can be very traumatic

3360
02:35:31,211 --> 02:35:26,061
so you have to have somebody who has a

3361
02:35:35,770 --> 02:35:31,221
good knowledge of psychology and someone

3362
02:35:38,261 --> 02:35:35,780
who will employ safeguards so that you

3363
02:35:41,020 --> 02:35:38,271
will not be further traumatized by

3364
02:35:44,530 --> 02:35:41,030
hypnosis that's very important you can

3365
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:44,540
be involved in in this field and also be

3366
02:35:51,251 --> 02:35:47,120
objective and unbiased and not ask

3367
02:35:53,381 --> 02:35:51,261
leading questions so my recommendation

3368
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:53,391
is not to go to somebody who knows

3369
02:35:59,261 --> 02:35:56,090
nothing about this field because you

3370
02:36:02,020 --> 02:35:59,271
could be further traumatized by this and

3371
02:36:05,560 --> 02:36:02,030
and there are people even in the mental

3372
02:36:08,381 --> 02:36:05,570
health field who might suspect that you

3373
02:36:12,030 --> 02:36:08,391
have a serious mental illness when you

3374
02:36:14,890 --> 02:36:12,040
do not anyone who's good in the field

3375
02:36:18,400 --> 02:36:14,900
would know that you do not because every

3376
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:18,410
other area of your life is perfectly

3377
02:36:25,301 --> 02:36:23,210
normal but I have been informed by just

3378
02:36:27,791 --> 02:36:25,311
a few individuals that they did have

3379
02:36:29,921 --> 02:36:27,801
problems with that too and in fact that

3380
02:36:31,900 --> 02:36:29,931
is going to be one of the questions or a

3381
02:36:35,080 --> 02:36:31,910
series of questions asked on the new

3382
02:36:37,780 --> 02:36:35,090
questionnaire that MUFON is going to put

3383
02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:37,790
up well I think it's almost impossible

3384
02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:40,730
to be a licensed hypnotherapist and a a

3385
02:36:45,580 --> 02:36:43,490
true professional in that field and not

3386
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:45,590
be aware of the abduction phenomenon but

3387
02:36:50,140 --> 02:36:47,840
but to have a direct involvement in the

3388
02:36:52,961 --> 02:36:50,150
field is what I was saying someone with

3389
02:36:54,461 --> 02:36:52,971
you know obviously you want to go with

3390
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:54,471
someone that's not gonna you know

3391
02:37:00,559 --> 02:36:57,359
immediately call your family and say

3392
02:37:03,050 --> 02:37:00,569
your sister needs your daughter needs to

3393
02:37:04,969 --> 02:37:03,060
be you know committed immediately you

3394
02:37:07,460 --> 02:37:04,979
know you don't you want to avoid that

3395
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:07,470
that scenario obviously but I think it's

3396
02:37:13,489 --> 02:37:11,010
important to be objective objectivity is

3397
02:37:14,809 --> 02:37:13,499
extremely important Kathleen can you

3398
02:37:17,119 --> 02:37:14,819
tell our listeners where they can find

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where the stuff that you do yes you can

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go to my website at Kathleen - Mardon ma

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rd ENS calm my upcoming speaking

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engagements and my books are there and

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and several articles I've written to so

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and it will lead you to other places

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3431
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